If I was going deer or ELK with one rifle I would be on the 7mag or 300 wm side
But I would leave the mountain trolls be
But I would leave the mountain trolls be
Gunwerks 6.5 creedmore or 28 Nosler
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I would leave the .28 alone, as it is unnecessary for either elk or deer. A ton of hunters in Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho use 270, 30-06. You would shoot the Creed more easily and with right load, factory or handload, it would do the job in an awful lot of elk hunting. Why get a caliber that is suspected of having short barrel life for an all-around gun. If it was me, and it isn't, I would get a .35 Whelen. which is exactly what I did when I lived in Wyoming. I shot Pronghorn antelope, deer-both Whitetails and Mule deer, elk, and with light handloaded .357 bullets, grouse. I used a 250 grain handload that was about the same as the .35 Whelen Remington Factory Load in that bullet weight. If you want to avoid any changes in factory ammo availability, shoot a .30-06.
The meat damage on all of the above game was minimal. One of the bull elk I shot with the .35 Whelen was at 300 yds and a nearly 7/8 head on shot. The .250 grain bullet hit between the neck and shoulder and was found against the femur bone in the opposite side hind leg. Not a huge wound channel but the bullet went to several feet of important elk parts. It didn't throw him to the ground, but he laid down within 20 ft. I know 06 level cartridges are not flashy, but they do real work and are easy to shoot. If you have the money to buy and shoot the .28, buy two rifles, one for deer and one for elk. Good shooting!
The meat damage on all of the above game was minimal. One of the bull elk I shot with the .35 Whelen was at 300 yds and a nearly 7/8 head on shot. The .250 grain bullet hit between the neck and shoulder and was found against the femur bone in the opposite side hind leg. Not a huge wound channel but the bullet went to several feet of important elk parts. It didn't throw him to the ground, but he laid down within 20 ft. I know 06 level cartridges are not flashy, but they do real work and are easy to shoot. If you have the money to buy and shoot the .28, buy two rifles, one for deer and one for elk. Good shooting!
You probably won't be getting a visit from Santa if you shoot an Elf.
But, I have heard they make good chili. ;-) LOL
So, Elk was the largest of the animals you intend on hunting. Anything that kills an Elk will kill a Deer.
IMHO, I would think a 6.5 PRC would fit the bill quite nicely, or a 28 Nosler. You can take a long poke with either one of these cartridges and still have enough energy at distance to knock'm dead. For me it would be the 6.5 PRC
6.5 CM I think is a bit light.
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But, I have heard they make good chili. ;-) LOL
So, Elk was the largest of the animals you intend on hunting. Anything that kills an Elk will kill a Deer.
IMHO, I would think a 6.5 PRC would fit the bill quite nicely, or a 28 Nosler. You can take a long poke with either one of these cartridges and still have enough energy at distance to knock'm dead. For me it would be the 6.5 PRC
6.5 CM I think is a bit light.
My .02 cents
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Ah, the 30-06 and its siblings: mighty fine. The 35 Whelen is a great one often overlooked. I have a 358 Winchester. 10 deer this year (managed lease). 358 is a great one and the 35 Whelen is just MORE! If you reload, the brass for either is basically free as 308 and 30-06 brass is laying around every range.
Friends don't let friends buy 28 Noslers. There are several WAY better options. Since the Op question is too broad, vague and opinion based to answer directly, let me say that the 28 Nosler was designed to shoot 168 gr like a laser. In fairness, with added freebore it is a beast with 195's for sure (or you could just shoot 100 rds for barrel break-in and would then gain enough throat erosion to seat long bullets). In the encyclopedia next to the word "overbore" is a picture of the 28 Noz. The chamber is so poorly designed that after every box of cartridges fired (20) the free bore is measurably longer. If you consider the cost of a decent barrel, chambering and smith work, call it $800, it costs $2 in barrel life with every shot.
there will be lots of retorts to this post, but there is no good reason to settle on a 28 Nosler.
there will be lots of retorts to this post, but there is no good reason to settle on a 28 Nosler.
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For deer the 6.5 Creedmoor is great for elf I would use a net, got to get him to tell me where the pot of gold is located. All kidding aside, it depends on the distance you intend to shoot. If you are investing in a Gunwerks rifle, I believe you are talking long-range hunting so between your choices the Nosler.
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I would feel comfortable using a 6.5 CM in this situation, even for elk. But I don't shoot elk at long range. The hunting I have done usually offers shots less than 250 yds, even less than 100. If you pick your shots the 6.5 would do the necessary work. Of the 8 elk I have killed 1 was at 300 yds, one at 150 yds, with the rest between 60 yds and 15 steps. My son killed 2, one at 200 yds and one at 150-he used a .308 and neither went more than 30 yds. He used 2 shots on each only because we continue to shoot elk until they are down. Both would have died with the first shot. He also killed one at 175 with a 7x57 with a 175 grain bullet in a single shot Handi-rifle. I would use a 7x57, or 7-08 as a deer/elk combo. Hornady 175 gr spire points put filled a ton of tags for my boys when they were getting started, 2 of the deer at 225 and 250 yds. We never had to follow up a deer more than 30 yds. The elk died in its tracks. We also shot antelope with the Handi-rifle. The 7 mm 175 at 2500 fps was devastating.
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This is the most ******** I have ever seen on a gun forum
Give Kirby Allen a ring on his 7mm ALlen express and shoot a 195 berger @ 3300 fps and get his quote on barrel life if you think a 28 Nosler is the definition of overbore. I have a 7RUM with 668 rounds on the barrel and it's doing 1/2 MOA.... I guess the 28 Nosler is worse on barrels than the RUM or a 7-338 lapua improved? Posts like yours are the reason you have to take anything on a gun forum with a grain of salt.
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Lot's of unknowns here. Your size and weight may be important, to withstand recoil and/or carry a heavy rifle over the hills. The 6.5 is made in light rifles which will certainly do the job on elk and deer but most would prefer slightly more power for elk. 7RM is excellent for both but packs bigger kick. If you reload, can tailor many things such as bullet choice. If purchasing factory loads, more limitations. If you've been reading these postings since you joined you should have a good idea of what's involved.
Wow. I have built and shot a bunch of 28 Nosler and don't agree. definitely don't need 100 rounds to break one in. not overbore. It's a rocket, but not overbore
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Not well suited for deer especially if you want to eat them.This is the most ******** I have ever seen on a gun forum
Give Kirby Allen a ring on his 7mm ALlen express and shoot a 195 berger @ 3300 fps and get his quote on barrel life if you think a 28 Nosler is the definition of overbore. I have a 7RUM with 668 rounds on the barrel and it's doing 1/2 MOA.... I guess the 28 Nosler is worse on barrels than the RUM or a 7-338 lapua improved? Posts like yours are the reason you have to take anything on a gun forum with a grain of salt.
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How about you don't use a long range round on close range deer and it'll be fine? 600 yard 28 nosler = 100 yard 7-08. Yet nobody says a 708 prohibits eating deer? You recommend a 6.5 CM? That's a near 7-08 ballistic match ? What exactly are you trying to say? Do you even know?
