is the 7PRC killing the 7saum?

[GoosePilot]

I think if anything the 7prc will help the 7saum gain popularity. When my gunsmith built my 7mm blaser rogue and we were discussing reloading and accuracy, he said in his prs competitions that his guns have all shot factory 6.5 prc ammo less than .5 moa and why bother with reloading when that is winning championships?

To me that is what sets the prc apart from older versions. Factory ammo with heavy for class bullets in a very forgiving, very accurate round.

Anyone that reloads can get the same performance with more mature 7mm versions if they switch barrels and throat it properly. The prc is just that way from the factory is all. I'm not sure why some try comparing a factory round to a reloaded round and scoff at it. To me it is fairly impressive when "stock" anything can run right with the modified class.

Why does it have to do any more to be relevant?

 

[dogz]

How in the heck are you getting g 70.5 grains behind a 195? I get pressure signs at 68-68.5 behind a 180. You must hate your brass

For sure, the pressure signs are quite obvious on this one...

But, like I've always said we can make em do what we want them to do and believe it as well.

pressure equals speed and speed equals pressure

 

[JAYgs8163]

It's not that hard to get a 180gr Berger to 3,000 ft/sec in my 7WSM using RETUMBO in a 25" Broughton. I don't know what's so exciting about a 7PRC that will do the same thing and probably require more powder to get there.

Agree, just built a 7WSM last year and it's a awesome shooter! Flat out grass burner. I also don't think the SAUM is going anywhere. The advantage to the PRC will be the factory Hornady ammo offerings that the SAUM or WAM does not really offer.

 

[Carey Farmer]

If you're shooting a short action, 7 (or 6.5) SAUM are about as good as it gets. 7 PRC case is a quarter inch longer than SAUM - too long for a short action. Even 7 WSM is a tight fit in many short-action rifles - only .065" longer than SAUM, but that extra case length chews up a lot of the remaining mag length for chasing the lands.

If you're shooting a long action, 7 PRC is an option, but in my mind not an attractive one. Would much rather have a Rem 7mm mag or 28 Nosler.

 

[Philward]

It's interesting and humorous with all these new cartridges coming out when it's so difficult to get components for the existing cartridges we have. I've not seen a 7 saum rifle for sale from a manufacturer in a long time. The public didn't buy them so Rem stopped making it, right? I've seen 300 saum rifles for sale but thats it, aside from used rifles showing up in forums classifieds and custom rifles. Like another poster said, if the 7prc gets factory rifles chambered in it and the ammo is available and people buy them it may succeed. If you do buy one get 10 boxes of ammo for it because it may tank in 5 years.

 

[dogz]

My 7 WSM is with a 23" Brux on a M70/WSM action and a Edge handle, my Mashburn is on a 700 with one of D'Arcy's handles.

Great rigs and tough to beat. Easy to get plenty of speed out of both without pounding the dog **** out of them!

 

[QuietTexan]

Does the 260 Rem still exist? 6.5 CM didn't kill that.
Does the 243 Win still exist? 6 CM didn't kill that.
Does the 300 WM still exist? 300 PRC didn't kill that.
Does the 6.5-284 still exist? 6.5 PRC didn't kill that.
Does the 30-06 still exist? 308 Win didn't kill that.
45-70, 6.5x47, 6.5x55, 270 Win, 30-30, 32-20, 22LR, 222 Rem, the RUMs, the SAUMs, the WSMs, the WSSMs, the PPCs and the BRs, the list goes on and on of things that will never die off. Ebb and flow and be cool and not-cool and some even are blessed with a reputation that they literally fall out of the sky at 800 yards but somehow they keep hanging around.

Just another factory offering, nothing more. Sure a lot of people who want factory support will jump on it. A lot of people who don't want factory support will make fun of it, say it doesn't do anything new, say it's a rip-off of something else, etc etc etc.

RCC will make you brass for anything to keep you shooting if want to pay for it.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

I've had many rifles built over the years. If there is one thing that I've learned, it is that you don't chamber a rifle for ANYTHING unless you have a few hundred pieces of high-quality brass (minimum) on hand. My 7WSM was the very last build that I made before seeing the light. I always thought that Lapua, Peterson, Norma, ADG, or someone would corner the market by making high quality brass in 7WSM. I was wrong.

The idea that the 7PRC will be used primarily by non-reloaders doesn't sound realistic to me. It's all of us gun nuts that usually sit on the edge of the seat waiting for the next generation of wonder cartridges to be revealed. I probably shoot more ammo in any given week than the average whitetail hunter does in a year or two.

High-quality brass is in high demand among serious shooters. Cost doesn't even seem to be an issue because shooters are on long waiting lists and willing to pay anything to get the quality that they need. And .. brass is expendable so you always need more.

I'm interested in the 7PRC but don't see what it really has to offer. Hopefully, someone other than Hornady makes brass for it and the cartridge will develop a following. That didn't happen with the 7WSM, despite the fact that is a rather efficient cartridge, capable of fine accuracy and fits in a short action which has been so desirable by so many hunters. I'd suspect that most ultra-light rifle are built on short actions.

 

[Shootin4fun]

I'd like one of these newer 7s and I reload so I understand the hobby infatuation with new cartridges of different size and shapes. I was thinking 7SAUM, then the PRC popped up.

There has been mention here of factory ammo users, an factory ammo availability an advantage for the PRC and so on. But if you want approximately the power of a 7RM and you're confined to buying factory ammo, I'm wondering what the advantage of a PRC over a RM would be, aside from a shorter action. For me, the belt has not been an issue.

I almost picked up a a 7WSM about 11 years ago, intrigued by the new short design, but now it seems to be all but orphaned. And the WSM was from Winchester, a firearms manufacturer who could supposedly guarantee the production of that chambering, not just an ammo and component manufacturer. But I jumped on a great deal on a 7RM at the time; gets the speeds people here talk about, very accurate, lots of brass, lots of recipes, etc.

 

[dogz]

I've been using a 7 WSM for some time, I have plenty of W-W and Horn brass and have zero issues with it.

 

[dave_halsey]

The 7saum is not going anywhere, but i do believe people are getting frustrated not being able to find components to load for it.

 

[dogz]

Keep in mind that it's the gun loonies that are keeping the 7 SAUM brass being made. It's not the day in day out buy a rifle sight it in and hunt guys. Demand is there because of guys like us on this forum. Without them/us it's dead in the aqau since about 2002. 2002 ring a bell

 

[Taylorbok]

The idea that the 7PRC will be used primarily by non-reloaders doesn't sound realistic to me. It's all of us gun nuts that usually sit on the edge of the seat waiting for the next generation of wonder cartridges to be revealed. I probably shoot more ammo in any given week than the average whitetail hunter does in a year or two.

The amount of hunters heavily out numbers the actual shooters, that's why the market is geared mostly towards hunters

 

[Taylorbok]

The 7saum is not going anywhere, but i do believe people are getting frustrated not being able to find components to load for it.

that is almost every cartridge right now.