Good discussion!
I am going to side with Mudrunner in that the 300Win properly placed with a properly selected bullet will get the job out to 1000 yards.
Did you read his whole post? Of course a properly placed bullet, etc will get the job done. Since when did we put a 1000 yd limit on shooting game?
In order to kill something you must first be able to hit it and few choices make this easier than the 300Win. The lighter the rifle the truer this becomes.
What makes it easier to hit something is the accuracy and reliability of your rifle and load and the shooter. Generally speaking, heavier rifles are going to be more accurate and consistent at longer ranges. That's a fact. There's always a trade off. The smaller and lighter you go the more you will sacrifice at LR. That's a fact. Large high BC bullets do better at long range than lighter bullets. That's a fact. if someone makes a marginal on an animal @ 1000 (or any range), the larger bullet will cause more trauma and collateral damage than the smaller bullet. That's a fact.
That said if I build a purpose built rifle that only goes too your hide and wait for a super long shot on game? If I shoot mainly deer and some elk the answer is still 300Win.
Good choice, but a 338 Lapua will improve your odds at longer distance. That's a fact.
If you shoot moose and other large critters why not have a big 338?
Moose are probably easier to kill than a big bull elk. Not much LR hunting for moose in the lower 48.
Yobucks comment of the bag of clubs is perfect.
Some of you guys live in wide open spaces and hunt deer...your club should be a 7stw or 300mag with long bullets...any bullet construction will do. My choices are a lot more complicated.
I choose my rifles and bullets based upon the game, location, shot distances, and terrain to be covered.
No argument here, just don't say they are better than a 338.
A 16 pound 338Lapua is too tiring and too slow for tramping thru the woods all day while looking for whitetail....So I choose another club!
Totally your choice, but that doesn't make it THE RIGHT choice for everyone. some guys can lug around a 16 lb rifle. If someone can't lug around a 16 lb rifle, how are they going to pack out a 900 lb Bull?
MudRunners actual BS comments...
The .338 phase is just an overcompensation phase, IMO. However, before all of yall jump my *** about that comment, I was referring to overcompensating for abilities, and not referring to anything else.
Nonsensical BS. He says one thing then another. The 338's are fine LR cartridges period. Abilities apply to the shooter,not the cartridge.
The friggin 2,000 yard plus abilities of a .338 Lapua or Allen Mag are awesome.....But way overkill unless you are just trying to shoot at game as far away as humanly possible...
Can you please define "overkill" for me. How dead is too dead?
I was taught to get as close as possible, within your comfort zone.
This is the Long Range Hunting site. If he want's to preach the above, there are other sites to that.
Yet, we probably have yahoos who make tons of money out there with custom rifles trying to take 2,000 yard shots on animals and inhumanely injuring them, b/c their rig can do it.
More nonsensical BS trash talk. I smell a troll.
But just b/c your setup is capable, doesn't mean they possess the abilities to carry out a shot like that.
Abilities are the attribute of the shooter, not the cartridge. We all have our limitations that are usually based upon experience. A couple of weeks ago I fired a 375 AM. It was a piece of cake.
Overbore magnums are, IMO, not for hunting. .338 Lapua is just too much gun to hunt ANYTHING in N or S America. Unless you're hunting in Africa, you don't need something over .30 caliber.
And the anti gunners say you don't need an "assault" rifle. This isn't about "need", it's about choice and when your talking LR, the bigger the better.
A well-placed shot with a .257 projectile can be MUCH more deadly than a ****-poor shot by a .338....
And just what is that supposed to mean? So what.... If you can't shoot, shooting something smaller doesn't fix it.
I have never regretted my choice to stay with the 7mm calbers....7mm-08, 7mm RemMag, & 7mmSTW.
Good for him. And the 7 mag and STW are both "overbore's"
My STW has impressed my buddy with a .300 WM so much, he has switched his opinions of rebarreling to a .338 Lapua to a 7mmSTW.
I would never opt to barrel a 7 over 300 if I didn't already have a 300. That's me, and BTW, the STW is more overbore than the 338 Lapua or 300 WM.
This is just a lot of silly nonsensical BS from someone who has nothing better to of with a keyboard. No actual facts or data, just a lot of wives tales.