Long range all around western rifle

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  1. meatyrem

    meatyrem Well-Known Member

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    Now we’re talking. It’s nothing against you it just seems that everything we hear about anymore is the 6.5 creed and how it’s this or it’s that and how it’s the new phenomenon

    I’ll go with the saum or the nosler and 264 win mag.

    But it’s getting old hearing about how awesome the 6.5 creed is when there are many better options that have been around much longer doing more.
     
  2. FamilyH

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    I have yet to shot an elk past three hundred yards yet, most have been no longer then one hundred yards. But a 7mm mag just will not have the killing power at 1000 yards. Probably the best rifle would be a 378 or 340 Weatherby at 1k.
     
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  3. meatyrem

    meatyrem Well-Known Member

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    I’m sorry. I was being very sarcastic about that because no matter what the topic the creed is always mentioned such as field and stream going low to mention the creed as one of the top best elk cartridges there is. Even on this forum I have seen it mentioned too. Just get sick of it as it’s some type of holy grail of cartridges that everyone must have.
     
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  4. coop2564

    coop2564 Well-Known Member

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    The Bergara HMR would be a better choice than the Browning I looked at the Browning the stock is not near as good as the HMR. Both guns are on heavy side to be carrying in high mountains. Either brand in their normal bolt action class would be better western guns.
     
  5. rustyshackleford

    rustyshackleford Well-Known Member

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    jasonco Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    And there it is again with Savage no love. I say to all who don't appreciate the Savage, I'l send ya a self addressed postage paid box, put said offensive rifle in box, take to your nearest postal/deliverer, your problem is solved :D
     
  7. Tidus56

    Tidus56 Well-Known Member

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    Many parts are hard to find? What parts are talking about? I have built 9 and never struggled to find anything. Timney makes triggers, rifle basix and the accu-trigger can be modified. I love my Savage rifles. To each their own I guess.
     
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  8. djfriesen

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  9. rustyshackleford

    rustyshackleford Well-Known Member

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    Looks like you could shoot up to around 175’s, which I realize aren’t ideal, but it will shoot like a Sako and the stock is nicer than the other options around that price point. He said under 1k
     
  10. Hespco

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    I guess it's just dumb luck all the elk I've killed over the years with the 6.5's. Hung up the heavy kickers years ago. Me & mine have used the 6.5x308 , 260 Rem , 6.5x55, 6.5-06 & 264 mag. Our bullet of choice has been the Barnes mono. Never shot one at 1000yds. Most all have been under 200yds.. Several under 100yds. I shoot frequently on my own range & the 6.5's have shown they are very capable at long yardage. Moderate recoil & flat trajectory are inherent with the 6.5's. Try one for your self. Perhaps you may be pleasantly surprised.
     
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  11. djfriesen

    djfriesen Well-Known Member

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    Unless I'm missing something, you're not gonna get out of marginal stability with a 175 grain bullet in a 7RM 9.5 twist barrel, unless you're up in the hills a bit.

    I can't speak to relative stock quality, but I find the factory stock on my a7 to be a little weak.
     
  12. rustyshackleford

    rustyshackleford Well-Known Member

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    Berger says their 175 is good from a 1:10 so 1:9.5 should be pretty safe. I thought the stock felt good. Better than the B&C on my extreme weather and better than the HS on senderos but that’s just preference.

    A 175 Berger at 2850 FPS carries ~1500 ft/lbs to 800 yards. I believe it would work just fine.
     
  13. djfriesen

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    Playing with the numbers with the Bergers, you might be good, depending on mv, altitude, temp, etc. When I ran a 175 eldx through the calculator, it's marginal.
     
  14. Wolf76

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    At those distances, what wouldn't kill an elk? BTW congrats on getting close and making quality shots.
    Nobody here is saying the 6.5 is a bad choice for elk within reasonable distances and proper bullet construction. Hell, I had my 257 Bee as a backup gun for a previous elk hunt. BUT there's a limit to what any cartridge and shooter can do. The 6.5 crowd (at least the vocal ones :)) act as if there's no limit to the caliber. Some of that's marketing and some is ignorance. Watched a video recently where a nice 6x6 is shot with 6.5 cm at a distance of less than 300 yards. The elk acted like never being hit and was still very alive more than 2 minutes.

    A parallel point is long range shots on game. People taking 6 hundred + yard shots, while never practicing beyond 300. I understand why they do it as well. I'm an out- of- stater and is very expensive for me to hunt the west. If the only shot was at 600, people are going to send it (I'm not one of these people because I practice all distances I'm willing to kill animal, but understand the mindset) . Look at the terrible shots on YouTube.
    The whole CAN vs. SHOULD discussion certainly comes into play. You CAN brake up a concrete slab with a framing hammer. You SHOULD use sledge or jack hammer.
    As the distance and game size grows, so should your HP.