6.5 Weatherby (6.5 taken TOO far?)

The rifle barrel HAS to be rifled. Single point cutting of the grooves or pushing/pulling a carbide button (that displaces metal, doesn't cut) would be all but impossible in these alloys. It is not like the steels used for making barrels has not been investigated already, intensively and extensively! I have a 6.5 x 3oo Weatherby reamer and have used it twice. Both times for hunting rifles that will see a limited number of rounds each hunting season. Pull it from the safe, run a patch or 2 through the bore, take it to the range to verify zero, hunt with it, clean it after the harvest, back in the safe until next year. These guys don't shoot F Class with these rifles! Melonite/Black nitride treatment would help longevity if that is a concern. Increases surface hardness after all machining is complete.
 
Now that Weatherby has introduced the 6.5/300 Weatherby have we seen 6.5 pills pushed TOO fast?

Personally, as the owner of a 6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle and 6.5 CM Ruger American Predator I feel my "upper limit" for this cartridge would be the 6.5/284 Norma. That's about as fast as I want or need to push that bullet, even in the 147 gr. - 150 gr. range.

Yes, the 26 (6.5 mm) Nosler is FAST but how fast is necessary?

Eric B.


In my younger days, I contracted the speed disease like many other have. I decided that I wanted, A 140 grain 7 mm Bullet to go 3800 ft/sec. It was a good learning experience for sure.

I managed to exceed the 3800 ft/sec. BUT I found the limitations of this folly and feel it is true for almost all cartridges. Different bullets have different limitations, based on Diameter, Weight, construction, Twist rate and powder used. I also have another Hot Rod in .224 that has exceeded 4600 ft/sec And found the same limiting factor, BULLETS. I am now down to only one bullet that is still accurate and wont destroy itself at these velocities that still has good accuracy.

Aside from many other problems associated with excessive velocity, The bullets are the limiting factor because at some point it can lose all accuracy. I have had jacket separation at these velocities and tried the Mono Metal bullets to try and solve this problem, But accuracy still went away.

So as to your question, I think that any twist, cartridge, bullet and caliber combination will be limited ultimately by the bullet it's self, not barrel life or money as long as we have the "NEED FOR SPEED"

As stated, Accuracy is the one thing that decides how much velocity is enough, Nothing else. It doesn't matter how fast it is, if you cant hit anything with it.

J E CUSTOM
 
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True like I said I machine it after cladding! And since I'm ISO certified for Tool Calibration
and Final Inspection Complete.. I see how it gets worked all the time and held to close tolerances. With in .0001? A single point diamond tool will cut the rifling just fine...
 
Personally I think the .264wm is where you hit the wall of practicality/velocity. Pushing them any faster comes at a great cost in powder and shortened barrel life but for those who enjoy the ride I say, "Go for it".
Absolutely! And just like when you step up in bore diameter, the 7mm STW/.28 Nosler is where the wall is for the .284's.
 
Topics such as this usually bring out all three types of shooters and their respective opinions, well founded or not.

There are the stodgy shooters who firmly believe that all cartridge development after the .30-06 Springfield was superfluous. Included in this group unfortunately, are the handwringers and moaners who believe that the only cartridges necessary:rolleyes: are the ones which will yield 5,000 or more shots per barrel so that shooting doesn't cost them as much.

Then we come upon the shooters who accept some of the advances in ballistics and cartridges but still dig their feet in when it comes down to barrel life and extremes in powder capacity. They just can't get over the fact that every time you pull the trigger there is some degradation to your barrel. If you don't want to wear your barrel, leave it in the closet or safe and don't shoot it. These are the same shooters who still purport that the .264 Win. Mag. is a barrel burner even though we've disproved this concept 15 years ago.

Then we have the extreme opposite end of opinions where the shooters will attempt to push every aspect of the ballistic envelope just to be sure that they didn't miss anything that might be useful or the opportunity to try something new.

I'm not criticizing any one of these categories, although I will admit to being in the third category. My opinions run to the fact that the .264 WM and the 6.5 WSM at 82 grains of powder seem to be at the optimum case capacity given some degree of variance of course. Neither are barrel burners because we have much better stainless steels for barrels and vastly improved powder formulas which burn slower and cooler. And just as important, we can still use 26" barrels for decent performance.

Some are stymied by what they believe is a limited velocity range, where adding more powder is not commensurate with an increase in velocity. But what they don't take into account is that these larger capacity cartridges often need longer barrels than what individuals find acceptable for either hunting or target shooting. None of us want to head out to deer hunt with a 40" barrel. But these are much more easily explained when target shooting is the goal. These slower, cooler powders need the extra barrel length in order to achieve a complete burn and to perform, contributing to an increase in velocity.

Are there compromises? Sure, absolutely. Is there just one answer to pushing the envelope? Nope, not at all. It's just that your opinion may vary.

The 6.5x300 Weatherby can be a superb cartridge for the long range hunter. The difficulty can come with the load development and barrel length. Nobody claimed that it's perfect but they also didn't anticipate the hand-in-hand development of the heavy for caliber bullets either. Some of these bullets will prove useful while a couple have yet to show that they can contribute meaningfully with the standardized cartridges. The demonstrations are coming in the form of the ultra-long range competitions where these bullets are finally being paired with cases which have the more appropriate powder capacities.

Have fun, enjoy the process!
 
There are people who fit into some aspects of all 3 categories. Some of us like to get our money's worth out of our barrels, and don't like buying a new $400-$1000 barrel every year. But at the same time, realize that there really is a point of diminishing returns and that powder capacity vs. bore diameter is a real factor that should be added into the equation of cost vs. performance vs. degradation. And those same people can also like to push the boundaries, but realize cartridge limitations, and that some things are just too overkill to be any form of practical unless you're strictly using it to shoot beyond 1,500 yards (ELR).
 
Topics such as this usually bring out all three types of shooters and their respective opinions, well founded or not.

There are the stodgy shooters who firmly believe that all cartridge development after the .30-06 Springfield was superfluous. Included in this group unfortunately, are the handwringers and moaners who believe that the only cartridges necessary:rolleyes: are the ones which will yield 5,000 or more shots per barrel so that shooting doesn't cost them as much.

Then we come upon the shooters who accept some of the advances in ballistics and cartridges but still dig their feet in when it comes down to barrel life and extremes in powder capacity. They just can't get over the fact that every time you pull the trigger there is some degradation to your barrel. If you don't want to wear your barrel, leave it in the closet or safe and don't shoot it. These are the same shooters who still purport that the .264 Win. Mag. is a barrel burner even though we've disproved this concept 15 years ago.

Then we have the extreme opposite end of opinions where the shooters will attempt to push every aspect of the ballistic envelope just to be sure that they didn't miss anything that might be useful or the opportunity to try something new.

I'm not criticizing any one of these categories, although I will admit to being in the third category. My opinions run to the fact that the .264 WM and the 6.5 WSM at 82 grains of powder seem to be at the optimum case capacity given some degree of variance of course. Neither are barrel burners because we have much better stainless steels for barrels and vastly improved powder formulas which burn slower and cooler. And just as important, we can still use 26" barrels for decent performance.

Some are stymied by what they believe is a limited velocity range, where adding more powder is not commensurate with an increase in velocity. But what they don't take into account is that these larger capacity cartridges often need longer barrels than what individuals find acceptable for either hunting or target shooting. None of us want to head out to deer hunt with a 40" barrel. But these are much more easily explained when target shooting is the goal. These slower, cooler powders need the extra barrel length in order to achieve a complete burn and to perform, contributing to an increase in velocity.

Are there compromises? Sure, absolutely. Is there just one answer to pushing the envelope? Nope, not at all. It's just that your opinion may vary.

The 6.5x300 Weatherby can be a superb cartridge for the long range hunter. The difficulty can come with the load development and barrel length. Nobody claimed that it's perfect but they also didn't anticipate the hand-in-hand development of the heavy for caliber bullets either. Some of these bullets will prove useful while a couple have yet to show that they can contribute meaningfully with the standardized cartridges. The demonstrations are coming in the form of the ultra-long range competitions where these bullets are finally being paired with cases which have the more appropriate powder capacities.

Have fun, enjoy the process!

Yep, as I always said, life is all about choices, what you do with them is entirely up to you. I am thankful that we still have choices here in the US. Cheers!
 
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[QUOTE="RockyMtnMT,]I don't think there is any such thing as too much. Keep pushing.Steve[/QUOTE]
You guys just talk me into it,
I'm going to load my 257 Roberts"HOT!" MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
I believe the only way I'd ever own a 6.5 hot rod is if I could swap the barrels myself. Writing checks for the privilege of waiting to me is very annoying. Sure, you should be getting a much better gun with a good smith doing the work but banging away for fun gets a lot less fun as you can watch the tank drain with each pull of the trigger.

Just have two or three barrels cut at same time. Problem solved!! Lol
 
......I am thankful that we still have choices here in the US. Cheers!.........

There's probably a socialist/communist/etc. country out there, where the only legal choice is a 7.62X39, and you can't find them anywhere.

Sure been a passionate month for the 6.5's.:rolleyes:
 
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