What makes the 6.5 PRC special?

Buzzsaw said:

i have a headache now

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After reading his anti-Ackley Improved rants, I no longer read his posts, just skim them for laughs.

Like I said on the last page... My opinions sure don't seem so bad anymore, do they?

Well, very late to this thread, and skipped over most of it.

Here is my thoughts:

The US military is rather slow to make changes.

They just announced an order from Barnett for 30 PRC rifles going out to 2022 or something.
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So, Hornady must be doing something right.

It's not like the US military has no experience with ballistics...

Just saying...I don't think they are drinking the Koolade of marketing hype.

Hornady has done some good engineering and is being recognized.

Yes, my 60 year old 30 06 (based on a 115 year old design) still bullets through the air.

Just better choices today if you are starting from scratch and not fighting legacy issues.

johnlittletree said:

If I give a fantastic hunter and target shooter or a miltary sniper a 10X mil-dot scope and a 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 50 BMG, 6x57, 7x57, 7,92x57, 30-06, 270, 6,5x55, 6,5x57, 6.5x68, 7mm Wetherby Mag, 7x65R, 7,5x55Swiss, 243 Win,25-06, 256 Win Mag, 257 Weatherby, 264 Win Mag, 270 Weatherby Mag, 270 Win, 275 H&H Mag, 280 Rem.........etc your trying to tell me that with todays powders, primers, bullets they could not do long range hunting and would be handicapped? There are a lot more cartridges developed pre 1970. You think that a used 8X Leupold could not get the job done or a 10X Unertl could not do the deed? What did people ever do before Nightforce came along?

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There was a rather long VID (IDK NRA?)
A WII sniper (of some considerable skill and accomplishment) went to camp Perry and did some 1000 yard shooting.
The reason was that he mentioned that he just could not believe that it was possible.
His experience was the 300-500 yard shots were what a really good sniper could achieve. 1000 and beyond seemed incredulous to him.

Just saying...your rant is not based on facts...the technology imoproves every day and moves the goal posts.

Yes, skill and training is required...but without the technology as a foundation...limits stagnate.

Isn't the 6,5 PRC the same thing as a 6.5/06. Ha

I'm glad I'm stuck in the past.

Old school, worn out tool I guess. At least extra cash in my wallet goes towards endless days of hunting.

Yuppers, sure nice having everything in my category paid for,,, endless days of sun shine with none of that foolish work stuff that takes away from living life full bore .

Hunting and fishing in the great outdoors is well worth the rewards. LOL

KyCarl said:

I thought about building a 6.5 PRC but I have a 6.5 X 284?
Couldn't justify it? They are pretty close. Now a 300 PRC..Hmmmm.

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I have to admit I am also intrigued by the 300 PRC but I find myself asking what does it do that the 300 Weatherby doesn't already do...

Don A Parsons said:

Isn't the 6,5 PRC the same thing as a 6.5/06. Ha

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No

As has been said, "Amateurs talk of ballistics, experts talk of logistics."
In my little town in west Texas, I saw 6.5 PRC on the shelves before there were rifles available and I can find it every day in 2 of 3 stores that sell ammo. It may fizzle out. It may not. The 6.5 SAUM was all the rage here for years, and Hornady commercialized something very similar. Their logistics and marketing were genius.

redleg1013 said:

I have to admit I am also intrigued by the 300 PRC but I find myself asking what does it do that the 300 Weatherby doesn't already do...

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so, IDK if others have already mentioned:

Correct barrel twist and shorter case I'd guess.

Not inventing the wheel, simply optimizing all of the system for the heavy ELD bullets.

mdk777 said:

so, IDK if others have already mentioned:

Correct barrel twist and shorter case I'd guess.

Not inventing the wheel, simply optimizing all of the system for the heavy ELD bullets.

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Beltless case.

Dog Rocket said:

Beltless case.

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I've still yet to hear anyone mention how there is an advantage to a non-belted case, other than illogical fallacies that were perpetuated years ago by some company trying to push their non-belted case designs...

Dog Rocket said:

Sure we would, shooters aren't going to leave a cartridge alone simply because it is doing the job. That just isn't the way this works, and that's not a bad thing either.

What these threads always seem to bring out, is not only the early adopting hopefuls and fan boys, but the equally as irrational "humbug" haters that see no need for ANY further exploration or modification.

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Point that I was trying to make was that if we had a commercially mainstream hotter 6.5 some of this wouldn't be happening. I do agree the short mags and changes in case design have come a long ways. We are still catching up on the 6.5's and I will build a 6.5 Sherman this coming year.

MudRunner2005 said:

I've still yet to hear anyone mention how there is an advantage to a non-belted case, other than illogical fallacies that were perpetuated years ago by some company trying to push their non-belted case designs...

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-How about 8+ full power loadings vs 4?
-How about being able to actually size the shoulder to exactly where it needs to be without leaving the portion next to the belt unsized?
-How about it being easier to time an internal box magazine so that the shell doesn't jump from the feed lips before it is well into the chamber?
-When was the last time you ever saw Lapua belted brass?

Dog Rocket said:

-How about 8+ full power loadings vs 4?
-How about being able to actually size the shoulder to exactly where it needs to be without leaving the portion next to the belt unsized?
-How about it being easier to time an internal box magazine so that the shell doesn't jump from the feed lips before it is well into the chamber?
-When was the last time you ever saw Lapua belted brass?

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Show me evidence that you can load a non-belted case more times than a belted case strictly because the belt being there. You can't. Plain and simple.

Last I checked, the shoulder and the belt have nothing to do with each other...They're on opposite ends. My shoulders resize just fine on my belted cases. Setting your dies up properly goes a long way.

The feeding rails on an action and the lips on Magazines start ramping from the front, not the back, the front starts, the back follows. Try again...

Your last example is the best... Obviously you have no idea that Lapua used to make .300 WinMag ammo...In Lapua brand brass.