No Hydrodynamic Shock Below 2600FPS??
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WildRose
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Your photo is demonstrating a whole lot of both.
Orange Dust
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Yea, I found out those are a little soft in a RUM. They behave nicely outside the point blank range of the rifle. This was an instance where the temporary wound channel exceeded the size of the animal. People think you can do it to prairie dogs and coyotes, but not deer. They are wrong. But, it is Monday, and.....
To whom are you extending all this humanity? You have no idea if this respected ballistic expert even exists. Someone may just claim to be a respected ballistician but really is just plagiarizing many other writers and drawing completely wrong conclusions, if that person exists at all.That's right... because if people had humanity, they wouldn't immediately attack other people like mindless animals, such as what happens here every single day. So now because I've shown a light on that behavior, they will turn and attack me rather than alter their behavior. As if somehow there was no other option but to degrade and berate others. Defending the indefensible position of cowardly attacks against an unknown person who was probably quoted out of context who is not here to defend themselves.
The rest of this is not directed at you specifically phorwath.
Anyone that suggests we hold to a higher standard, is mocked relentlessly.
Anyone that joins the dogpile is celebrated.
What a sad society we have become. You're all better than you're acting.
Make no mistake. I don't judge people. I judge their behavior. You will have no success trying to convince me that tearing other people down is acceptable. ESPECIALLY people that aren't here to defend themselves. Does insulting absent people make some of you feel super intelligent? I read the OP and my first though was "Who said that? I'd like to read or hear what this person is referring to." I'm trying to lift people up and evolve their thinking, rather than accept knee-jerk impulsive reactions which are likely taken out of context. If you don't believe that, then put me on ignore. If encouragement to STOP insulting people makes you upset at me, if what I say convicts you, maybe you should think hard about that.
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You state that you will wait to hear the whole story before passing judgment. I hope you are ready for a long wait.
And by saying that anyone on this forum that finds reason to doubt the validity of this unknown writer's opinion has no humanity, makes it sound like you have less humanity for people you communicate with on some sort of regular basis. It may be wiser of you to withhold your judgment of others' humanity until you can be sure of this unknown, possibly respected person's true intent in making such widely disputed claims. That cat-daddy-rabbit may well be reading this and laughing at you.
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Calvin45
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That's a cool lookin rig!88 grain ELD-M 22GT from a 15.9" center-grip XP-100
Impact velocity was around2650 fps
Orange Dust
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This supports my experiences more than any other post. But, like WildRose, I and my beliefs are old and outdated. Guess he and I need to build a couple of rifles that can spit out a bullet so fast it is still moving 2600fps @1000YDS. I guess the RUM will no longer cut it. WildRose, let's see if we can get a gunsmith to build us a couple of Creeds in a two for one deal. We need to modernize and get with the program, buddy.
Calvin45
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Hahaha…imbecile that I am I've actually started to run the numbers on what would get that done. Using a basic g1 calculator (which surely isn't accurate to distance anyway haha) you'll need to launch a bullet with a .700 g1 bc at 4150 fps to stay above 2600 at 1k at my elevation of 1100 feet at 30 Fahrenheit/ -1 celcius (actual temp right now).
Of course if it were 100 degrees out and you were at 5000 feet (Colorado hunt in the summer maybe?) you only need 3700 fps to get there (it actually makes that much of a difference, temp and elevation, surprises me).
And if you were to go shooting on the coldest day we had here over the winter at -44 f/-42 c, again, at 1100 feet, you would need to launch a .7 g1 bc bullet at a whopping 4540 fps to overcome that icy sludge air and still have 2600 fps at 1000 yards.
Assuming 50% humidity for all values.
I have now wasted my time and yours. You're welcome
Orange Dust
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Problem is you see above what a high BC bullet (190ABLR) launched @3400 will do @100yds. Bonded bullet too. If I got a big enough case to launch a bigger, longer bullet (mine has a G1 of .6) 4150 I have serious doubts that anything shot with it under 5-600yds would be edible. That's why WildRose and I need a couple of Creeds. Drops anything hit with them at least to 1000yds everytime. No need for all this old school and outdated recoil and stuff.Hahaha…imbecile that I am I've actually started to run the numbers on what would get that done. Using a basic g1 calculator (which surely isn't accurate to distance anyway haha) you'll need to launch a bullet with a .700 g1 bc at 4150 fps to stay above 2600 at 1k at my elevation of 1100 feet at 30 Fahrenheit/ -1 celcius (actual temp right now).
Of course if it were 100 degrees out and you were at 5000 feet (Colorado hunt in the summer maybe?) you only need 3700 fps to get there (it actually makes that much of a difference, temp and elevation, surprises me).
And if you were to go shooting on the coldest day we had here over the winter at -44 f/-42 c, again, at 1100 feet, you would need to launch a .7 g1 bc bullet at a whopping 4540 fps to overcome that icy sludge air and still have 2600 fps at 1000 yards.
Assuming 50% humidity for all values.
I have now wasted my time and yours. You're welcome
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COBrad
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Being as yet unsuccessful in procuring any 245 grain Berger EOL's for my upcoming 300 Norma Improved I've been researching the 225 grain ELDM's. From what I've read, it sounds like at ~3100 fps this bullet may well ruin a deer, like yours orange dust, out to 4-500 yards. Probably make a pretty good elk bullet at the 1K+ yardage this rifle is intended for.
Calvin45
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I run em in my 300 win at 2800. They kick some serious butt!
Orange Dust
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Yea, it will smack 'em pretty good. If I had to shoot a Mule Deer with that up close, I would hold dead center in the bottom third. Instant kill but messy. You will need a lot of water. But you would find out how big the temporary wound channel is and know next time where to hold while velocity is still high. I've shot several deer with the 190ABLR now and haven't blown any more up. I just stay at the back of the lungs and low under 400 and everything is fine. Great bullet at the long ranges it was intended for too. This is always an issue. Rifles with the power you need @1000YDS will do incredible damage up close, especially if you his a bone of any significance. I have been dealing with this since my first wildcat, an improved 40deg 8MM MAG.
Calvin45
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Didn't do too much meat damage at around 300 yards either. Whitetail buck two years ago
Orange Dust
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Add 400fps to the muzzle velocity and the bullet will behave very differently, trust me.
