No Hydrodynamic Shock Below 2600FPS??

[Shane Lindsey]

Not sure my muzzle loader gets above 2600 FPS ever....wait I know it doesn't...does the job just fine!

308s and 5.56 been killing longer than you and I been alive... Impact velocity probably isn't above 2600 FPS either...

But you are right I am physically and mentally unable to conduct any critical thinking...

 

[Pdvdh]

But you are right I am physically and mentally unable to conduct any critical thinking...

We've also been judged to "lack humanity".
And on Easter Sunday, to boot.

 

[nksmfamjp]

A respected ballistics expert basically says that bullets .338 diameter and less loose their hydrodynamic shock value below 2600fps.

Who?

What is hydrodynamic shock?

 

[Pdvdh]

Typical. No one asks who. No one asks for a link to the article. Nothing. Just straight to insults and "I know better than them" without even knowing what was said or who said it.

I think I'll wait for context instead of showing everyone that I lack any basic critical thinking skills or humanity.

You really intended to state that anyone responding to the original post "lacks humanity"?

Merriam-Webster definition of humanity: compassionate, sympathetic, or generous behavior or disposition : the quality or state of being humane

 

[Reelamin]

A respected ballistics expert basically says that bullets .338 diameter and less loose their hydrodynamic shock value below 2600fps. This basically means a .308 Win shooting a 180g bullet and a .338 Win Mag both loose their shock value in less than 100 yards. I have harvested animals with rifles from 270 Win to 375 H&H and am still confused.
I'm about to do a black bear hunt and if i go with that theory I'd pick a 225g over a 250g bullet for my 338 Win Mag. I'd be real interested in what you guys on the forrum have to say about this. What do you all think?

Bahahahahahahaha. If this was April 1st or Nov 8th and mush brain stayed president I would have ignored it. Now that right there is some of the funniest stuff I have read or seen in quite a while. Thank you a good laugh makes my day.

 

[Muddyboots]

 

[orkan]

You really intended to state that anyone responding to the original post "lacks humanity"?

Merriam-Webster definition of humanity: compassionate, sympathetic, or generous behavior or disposition : the quality or state of being humane

That's right... because if people had humanity, they wouldn't immediately attack other people like mindless animals, such as what happens here every single day. So now because I've shown a light on that behavior, they will turn and attack me rather than alter their behavior. As if somehow there was no other option but to degrade and berate others. Defending the indefensible position of cowardly attacks against an unknown person who was probably quoted out of context who is not here to defend themselves.

The rest of this is not directed at you specifically phorwath.

Anyone that suggests we hold to a higher standard, is mocked relentlessly.
Anyone that joins the dogpile is celebrated.

What a sad society we have become. You're all better than you're acting.

Make no mistake. I don't judge people. I judge their behavior. You will have no success trying to convince me that tearing other people down is acceptable. ESPECIALLY people that aren't here to defend themselves. Does insulting absent people make some of you feel super intelligent? I read the OP and my first though was "Who said that? I'd like to read or hear what this person is referring to." I'm trying to lift people up and evolve their thinking, rather than accept knee-jerk impulsive reactions which are likely taken out of context. If you don't believe that, then put me on ignore. If encouragement to STOP insulting people makes you upset at me, if what I say convicts you, maybe you should think hard about that.


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[FEENIX]

Not sure my muzzle loader gets above 2600 FPS ever....wait I know it doesn't...does the job just fine!

308s and 5.56 been killing longer than you and I been alive... Impact velocity probably isn't above 2600 FPS either...

But you are right I am physically and mentally unable to conduct any critical thinking...

Brother, don't be too hard on yourself, this is one of those posts where memes are most appropriate.

 

[Pdvdh]

That's right... because if people had humanity, they wouldn't immediately attack other people like mindless animals, such as what happens here every single day. So now because I've shown a light on that behavior, they will turn and attack me rather than alter their behavior. As if somehow there was no other option but to degrade and berate others. Defending the indefensible position of cowardly attacks against an unknown person who was probably quoted out of context who is not here to defend themselves.

The rest of this is not directed at you specifically phorwath.

Anyone that suggests we hold to a higher standard, is mocked relentlessly.
Anyone that joins the dogpile is celebrated.

What a sad society we have become. You're all better than you're acting.

Make no mistake. I don't judge people. I judge their behavior. You will have no success trying to convince me that tearing other people down is acceptable. ESPECIALLY people that aren't here to defend themselves. Does insulting absent people make some of you feel super intelligent? I read the OP and my first though was "Who said that? I'd like to read or hear what this person is referring to." I'm trying to lift people up and evolve their thinking, rather than accept knee-jerk impulsive reactions which are likely taken out of context. If you don't believe that, then put me on ignore. If encouragement to STOP insulting people makes you upset at me, if what I say convicts you, maybe you should think hard about that.


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At least you own it.

Now the problem. You tear down the masses in your all-encompassing judgement, in an effort to instill your own theory of righteous Forum behavior, and delivery of your own form of justice. As if empowered by a higher power and calling. A self-annointed prophet...

Your mission is already defeated, by self-destructive methods.

I don't need to put you on ignore. You need to get your Forum delivery under control.

 

[choprzrul]

2020 Nov deer season I shot a doe at 200 yards with my 6.5CM using 140gr Accubonds. At the muzzle, they are going 2581fps.....so below the 2600fps threshold from the get go....

Loudest 'whaackk' I've ever heard on a deer even though it was 200 yards away. It was a true bang-flop and wasn't a spine shot. 2241fps at the target did something to that deer.....if it wasn't hydrostatic shock, I couldn't tell you what it was, but she was DRT.

 

[brant89]

Alright...back to the OP's question. I've seen 2200fps and 2500fps both mentioned before as the lower limit to hydrostatic shock (which is a debatable phenomenon in itself). I personally believe that hydrostatic shock is a thing based on the amount of bloodshot meat we see on high velocity impacts, sometimes VERY far away from the permanent wound channel. I think one factor that might not be getting any consideration when these lower thresholds are being determined is bullet construction. A varmint bullet that fully fragments is going to impart much more energy into the target medium than an FMJ. Normally I don't strictly subscribe to the impact energy mantra, but in the case of initiating wave propagation in flesh I think it's an important factor.

Purely anecdotal evidence here, but a 200gr ELDX impacting a hard quartering antelope at 2440fps results in substantial tissue damage a VERY long way away from the actual bullet path. 2/10 do not recommend. lol.

 

[orkan]

At least you own it.

Now the problem. You tear down the masses in your all-encompassing judgement, in an effort to instill your own theory of righteous Forum behavior, and delivery of your own form of justice. As if empowered by a higher power and calling. A self-annointed prophet...

Your mission is already defeated, by self-destructive methods.

I don't need to put you on ignore. You need to get you Forum delivery under control.

You're suggesting that by denouncing other peoples behavior while they tear people down... I'm tearing them down?

No... No I think not. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Pdvdh]

You're suggesting that by denouncing other peoples behavior while they tear people down... I'm tearing them down?

No... No I think not. It doesn't work that way.

You launched your keyboard denounciation of multiple members, as if authorized by a higher power. And you've twisted and distorted that into a badge of honor. Always and forever faultless.

Good luck with that approach.

 

[lancetkenyon]

I would like to see the testing results and report before I make any definitive comments.