I want a legit argument against an old trusted cartridge

[Huntz]

I can`t argue that the 7 Rem mag is not a game getter,but so are the 30-06,270,280,6.5X55,7MM08 and on &on.Just depends what flavor you like.If i could have all the money back on rifles I have bought looking for the perfect cartridge.I would spend it on a custom 30-06 with the best glass available and use it for everything including big bear.JMHO Huntz

 

[Marc Gauthier]

I started off my hunting career with a 7mm Remington Magnum. It never failed me but eventually I was bitten by the "bigger and better" bug. I switched to a 300 win mag which I believed would serve me well with a little more knock down power, if I ever made it to Alaska to hunt big bears.

I shortly realized elk, dear, antalope, and black bear don't know the difference between the 300 and 7mm... it's more about shot placement and the type of bullet being used.

So I went back the the 7mm because of less recoil and better wind fighting capabilities.

Then I was bitten by the "newest shinniest" bug. I picked the next cartridge by going backwards. I wanted the highest BC, highest SD bullet made, which was at the time the 7mm 195 Berger EOL. Then found the cartridge which would push it the fastest and flattest, the 28 Nosler (besides the Allen mags and other wildcats).

After messing with the 28 Nosler for probably 2 rifles, 5 barrels, maybe 2000 rounds within the last year... I don't know it's worth it.

The 7mm Remington Magnum will kill anything. It's cheap. It doesn't kick bad with a muzzle brake. I could hunt around the world and if I lose my hand loads, I can find ammo. I believe it is the best all around, do anything, caliber ever made.

It has better ballistics and more power than all the small target cartridges (6mm, 6.5mm Creedmoor and x47 Lapua, 6.5- 284, the BR range of cartridges, and 308 win). Yet is far cheaper, less recoil, more available and easier on barrels than the "bigger and better" or "new and shiny" cartridges like 26 and 28 Nosler, 300 rum, 6.5-300 weatherby and the like.

I guess I want a valid argument (I hope you win) as to why any caliber out there is better than the 7 mag, because the more I try new things, the more I get pulled back to my 7.

Good point of view, with a reload 195 gr. Berger eol. But most people will not have such a good cartridge. So true for you only.

 

[Indian7953]

Even the kids eventually grow up

This past winter I gave up on all the hype and the new shiny stuff and the black stuff and got me a Christian Ridgeline 7 mm Remington Magnum and that's what I'm going to stick with. It shoots well under one minute, easy to load, plenty of components and ammunition most places.

 

[RevJim]

I packed a Mod 700 BDL in 7mmRem Mag for about 10years. I feel the only way it could have been "better" was to be in a lightweight synthetic stock and a Leupold 4x. Why? Because of the "way I like to hunt"...I hug the edges and sometimes walk up game trails in the timber. I "can" shoot longer ranges, but I don't "like" to shoot past 200yds 'if I can get closer". So for me, it is a great caliber "in a stalking rifle platform". My new CA Mesa in 300WM is pretty close, "almost" a tad heavy for the quickest jump shooting, but workable. I handload, so I can and do go up and down the bullet weight/speed spectrum. Since I've owned many 7mms/magnums ( Remington, STW, RUM, 280AI, 280, 7x57, 7mm-08, 7-30 Waters) I felt it was time to go back to the 30 cal...for "me". In fact, if I could have found a Mesa in 30-06, at the time, I would have bought it instad of the 300WM, it "might" have been a few ozs lighter, ha. But I could not argue with you about your 7mm Rem Mag!

 

[littlewhaler]

They both kick like Mules.!

 

[7magcreedmoor]

Sometimes we can get a little crazy debating the effictiveness of one cartridge vs another. Remember the boring old 30.06 was created to break cavalry charges....

 

[orcldba]

I don't think that you can go wrong with the 7-mag. I've been having the same questions about my 06's and 308's.
They do anything I need inside of 450 yards, one uses more powder, the other uses mid-length action, etc. Both are very accurate. Am I going with the latest whiz-bang or Ackley improved... nope, not worth it. Reloads are great, ammo is available, rifles accurate, and animals go down. They do the job, just like your 7RM does.

 

[chickm1]

So . . . Consider the poor man's magnum: the amazing 270 Win.

Why go with the .270. when you could go with the .280 Remington? It is marginally a better round.

 

[LVJ76]

I've shot more elk with a 7mm Rem Mag than everyone I know combined. I've never lost one. In fact, I've had the opposite, I've dropped them and had them roll down a hill to where it took a bit to find them. Funny thing I had to switch to a cheaper bullet. I used to shoot partition 175 grain. Actually punched through my buffalo twice. Switched to Hornady 162 btsp killed everything I've ever shot at.

I've got a few of those 162 gr SPBT Interlocks you are talking about and I keep reading they work great, not the highest BC but that they kill fast. My dad used them a few times and loved them, I'll try them out once I use up all my SST's.

 

[rbTanzan]

A lot of "real men" have a re-built shoulder joint like mine. ( I actually have a perfect pair of them, so switching to left-handed shooting won't help.) We appreciate rifles that don't put our fancy orthopedic work at risk. The 30-06 level of recoil is about all I can handle, as per doctor's orders. I wish it were otherwise, but that's what the deal. So, I use my 30-06 and like it. I bring home just as many animals as I ever have - I just don't have bragging rights on being the most macho guy out there. By the way - there's an old joke among pilots about the guys with the big wrist watches. It may have an application here as well …….

Nicholas john I sympathize. If recoil is that important then I would recommend the 270 or maybe 257Bob or 6.5Swede.

 

[Sam Summey]

I started off my hunting career with a 7mm Remington Magnum. It never failed me but eventually I was bitten by the "bigger and better" bug. I switched to a 300 win mag which I believed would serve me well with a little more knock down power, if I ever made it to Alaska to hunt big bears.

I shortly realized elk, dear, antalope, and black bear don't know the difference between the 300 and 7mm... it's more about shot placement and the type of bullet being used.

So I went back the the 7mm because of less recoil and better wind fighting capabilities.

Then I was bitten by the "newest shinniest" bug. I picked the next cartridge by going backwards. I wanted the highest BC, highest SD bullet made, which was at the time the 7mm 195 Berger EOL. Then found the cartridge which would push it the fastest and flattest, the 28 Nosler (besides the Allen mags and other wildcats).

After messing with the 28 Nosler for probably 2 rifles, 5 barrels, maybe 2000 rounds within the last year... I don't know it's worth it.

The 7mm Remington Magnum will kill anything. It's cheap. It doesn't kick bad with a muzzle brake. I could hunt around the world and if I lose my hand loads, I can find ammo. I believe it is the best all around, do anything, caliber ever made.

It has better ballistics and more power than all the small target cartridges (6mm, 6.5mm Creedmoor and x47 Lapua, 6.5- 284, the BR range of cartridges, and 308 win). Yet is far cheaper, less recoil, more available and easier on barrels than the "bigger and better" or "new and shiny" cartridges like 26 and 28 Nosler, 300 rum, 6.5-300 weatherby and the like.

I guess I want a valid argument (I hope you win) as to why any caliber out there is better than the 7 mag, because the more I try new things, the more I get pulled back to my 7.

If you like your 7mm Rem Mag you can keep your 7mm Rem Mag. There is nothing wrong with it until you wear the barrel out.

 

[mindcrime]

They both kick like Mules.!

*Hands my venerable .416 Rigby over, and offers a Carolina Reaper to snack on!!!*

I guess recoil is truly a SUBJECTIVE matter.

 

[Lee Goodwin]

"I guess I want a valid argument (I hope you win) as to why any caliber out there is better than the 7 mag, because the more I try new things, the more I get pulled back to my 7."

50 BMG might kill, destroy bigger stuff so that would be fun.
458 Winchester might be fun, load it up and load it down...
338, would be fun, you walk with a swagger in elk camp carrying on of them bad boys.
300 Winchester, ah, lots of recoil, a real man's .308...
30.06, lots of history, venerable....would they design it today?
7mm REM mag, now there's a flat shooting, .284 projectile that zips through the air with a BC so high you don't need weed.
270, poor stepped on step child...150 grain Nosler partition going 2800....hmmm
Then there's the genius of marketing and I gotta have me that new fuggin rifle cause the new machines make better, tighter stuff these days, and, gosh darn it that 7mm crushes my old arthritic shoulder, don't mind the pain on a hunt, but, practice sucks...
So, what is this new fangled 6.5 PRC...? High BC bullets, fat short case that might just fit in a short action mountain rifle, and, it does good on a 24 inch barrel? Maybe 22 inch? Where can I try me one of them, ballistics like a 300 WM? No? Recoil like a 30.06 ? Or less? God bless?
I gotta try me one of them....
I wonder if I can sneak it past the Mrs? Make it look like my 7mm....sprinkle some dirt and chicken feathers on it.?
Dang I like new stuff, can't have too many knives or rifles...
6.5 PRC (people's republic o China?)
How much is ammo?

 

[yogibearmech]

So just my opinion that a gun is a tool. Certian tools work better for certain jobs. You don't need a 375 H&H mag to kill a deer.
Few years ago I bought a custom rifle from Scott Harold at QMM. I went to Idaho for his training session along with 2 other buyers of his guns. The day we shot there were 2 300 WM one 7mm RM and a new 28 Nosler. We shot out to 1185 yards. The 7 mag was falling way short with the 180 VLD. Recovered one 7mm bullet laying in the field and the hollow point had barely expanded. It fell short by several yards. Of the 2 300 WM one for some reason had a faster barrel than the other. Chronograph readings were around 100 FPS faster. The faster 300 WM made it easier to hit the steel plate at that distance. The 28 Noer ruled the shoot. With the high BC 195 Gr bullet and the faster muzzle velocity beat the other 3 rifles hands down.
That being said its a tool if you aren't shooting that distance then no need for rhe