.25AOD
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The .243AI can do everything the 6mm Rem can... The 25-06 is way out of its league.
.25-06 VS .243
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You can launch a 115 grain pill out of a 243 AI at about 3100 fps. That's pretty much identical to the 25-06. There is a new 6mm 117 grain bullet coming out that looks to have a high bc and should be good for hunting with.
PRODUCT Launch--New 117gr 6mm DTAC Bullet: David Tubb called us this week to reveal that his company, Superior Shooting Systems (SSS), is coming out with a NEW high-BC, 6mm bullet. It will be similar to the current DTAC 115, but it will have a polymer tip (for improved aerodynamics), and weigh 117 grains. With a longer bearing surface than the 115, you'll want about .040" more freebore for the 117 than you'd use with the 115 DTAC. David says the new bullet's BC is "right around .600" based on field testing by Henry Childs using multiple chronographs set downrange. David explained that, with the new bullet tip, the shot to shot BC variance of the bullets is reduced substantially. With conventional bullets, true BC can vary from bullet to bullet because the meplats aren't consistent. David tells us: "with the new bullet tip, you no longer have to uniform the meplats to get consistent BC, shot to shot. As a bonus, the BC is higher overall. What we've seen, in field testing, is a spread of just 2% in actual bullet BC. This has reduced the shot to shot velocity spread, as actually measured at long range."
PRODUCT Launch--New 117gr 6mm DTAC Bullet: David Tubb called us this week to reveal that his company, Superior Shooting Systems (SSS), is coming out with a NEW high-BC, 6mm bullet. It will be similar to the current DTAC 115, but it will have a polymer tip (for improved aerodynamics), and weigh 117 grains. With a longer bearing surface than the 115, you'll want about .040" more freebore for the 117 than you'd use with the 115 DTAC. David says the new bullet's BC is "right around .600" based on field testing by Henry Childs using multiple chronographs set downrange. David explained that, with the new bullet tip, the shot to shot BC variance of the bullets is reduced substantially. With conventional bullets, true BC can vary from bullet to bullet because the meplats aren't consistent. David tells us: "with the new bullet tip, you no longer have to uniform the meplats to get consistent BC, shot to shot. As a bonus, the BC is higher overall. What we've seen, in field testing, is a spread of just 2% in actual bullet BC. This has reduced the shot to shot velocity spread, as actually measured at long range."
Jerry Ricker
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I would highly recommend the Ruger 77VT in 25-06. It is one of the most accurate factory rifles I've ever seen right out of the box. I'm shooting mine to 1,000 yd with a 115 gr VLD with outstanding accuracy.
I own a 25-06 in a Ruger MkII Varmit, it shoots the 85 Nosler BT's at up to 3700 fps, but is not very accurate bast 3400 fps.
I use the Berger 115 VLD's at 3200 fps, and can get avg less than an unch at 200 yards if I let the bbl cool 3-4 minutes between shots, about 1 moa if I don't let it cool
Berger VLD's are this jecket bullets, perfect for coyote sized targets.
Now the 243 vs 25-06 is a good debate, for varmits, I'd opt for a 6mm or 243 for maximum knockdown power at range...
Lets compare REAL life here
243 and 25-06 with a 26 inch bbl
243 gets 3100-3150 fps with a 105 Berger BC 565
25-06 gets 3150-3200 fps with a 115 Gerger bc 522
Add another 50-75 fps for the 6mm rem
You can see that the 24 bore will launch a better BC bullet at close to or more velocity, wich means more bullet expansion at longer ranges,
the 6mm (.243) also has a Berger 115 VLD at .597 bc, but you need a 1:7 twist in a 243 or 6mm rem, 8 twist in a 6-284
also, the best fast bullet for the 25 bore is the 85 grain Nosler BT with a BC of .331, the 75 grain V-max has only a .290 bc, the .243 cal 87 Grain V-max has an outstanding .400 BC, the 6mm or 243 bore has way more bullets selections
For large deer, the bigger cal is better of course, but for varmits, fast flat shooting light jacket bullets are it,
the 25-06 still is good, but not a lot of bullets to chose from.
I think the 24-25 bores are better for varmits that the bigger and smaller bores.
a 22-250 with a 55 bt would probably stop a coyote more often that a 30-06 with any bullet, sometimes smaller and faster is stronger.
but 22's do not have very good bc bullets, for example
a 25-06 with 115 at 3200 ffps muzzle, is moving 2000 fps at 600 yards with the light jacket Berger, it is a much better choice that a 220 swift with a 40 at 4000 that is half as fast by 600 yards.
Either will do you good.
scott
I use the Berger 115 VLD's at 3200 fps, and can get avg less than an unch at 200 yards if I let the bbl cool 3-4 minutes between shots, about 1 moa if I don't let it cool
Berger VLD's are this jecket bullets, perfect for coyote sized targets.
Now the 243 vs 25-06 is a good debate, for varmits, I'd opt for a 6mm or 243 for maximum knockdown power at range...
Lets compare REAL life here
243 and 25-06 with a 26 inch bbl
243 gets 3100-3150 fps with a 105 Berger BC 565
25-06 gets 3150-3200 fps with a 115 Gerger bc 522
Add another 50-75 fps for the 6mm rem
You can see that the 24 bore will launch a better BC bullet at close to or more velocity, wich means more bullet expansion at longer ranges,
the 6mm (.243) also has a Berger 115 VLD at .597 bc, but you need a 1:7 twist in a 243 or 6mm rem, 8 twist in a 6-284
also, the best fast bullet for the 25 bore is the 85 grain Nosler BT with a BC of .331, the 75 grain V-max has only a .290 bc, the .243 cal 87 Grain V-max has an outstanding .400 BC, the 6mm or 243 bore has way more bullets selections
For large deer, the bigger cal is better of course, but for varmits, fast flat shooting light jacket bullets are it,
the 25-06 still is good, but not a lot of bullets to chose from.
I think the 24-25 bores are better for varmits that the bigger and smaller bores.
a 22-250 with a 55 bt would probably stop a coyote more often that a 30-06 with any bullet, sometimes smaller and faster is stronger.
but 22's do not have very good bc bullets, for example
a 25-06 with 115 at 3200 ffps muzzle, is moving 2000 fps at 600 yards with the light jacket Berger, it is a much better choice that a 220 swift with a 40 at 4000 that is half as fast by 600 yards.
Either will do you good.
scott
LDHunter
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The 25-06 and the 243 are EXCELLENT cartridges but since you already have a 270, IMO the 25-06 will be very similar to what you already have.
The 243 will be a fairly big change and as such widen your possibilities.
I vote for the 243 and agree that a VLS is a good choice if you like laminated stocks. If you'd prefer an HS Precision stock then sell the laminated one (they usually sell pretty well) and pick up a good used HS Precision VS stock which will bolt right up.
I did exactly that and it's a real sweetheart of a shooter.
OH... Note that the new VS SF II stocks are quite a bit different than the older VS SF stocks and the older ones are probably going to be a better choice.
$bob$
The 243 will be a fairly big change and as such widen your possibilities.
I vote for the 243 and agree that a VLS is a good choice if you like laminated stocks. If you'd prefer an HS Precision stock then sell the laminated one (they usually sell pretty well) and pick up a good used HS Precision VS stock which will bolt right up.
I did exactly that and it's a real sweetheart of a shooter.
OH... Note that the new VS SF II stocks are quite a bit different than the older VS SF stocks and the older ones are probably going to be a better choice.
$bob$
Eagle eyes 17
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I already have a 243 that I got for my Grandson so I'm Thinking of getting a 25-06 for my Granddaughter. The Rifles always stay at Papa's house so the good news is that I can take them out to the Range to try out my Reloads for them, the only down side is that I'm the one that has to clean them but at least this way I know they get done right.
lancetkenyon
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My 28" .25-06AI pushes a 100 TTSX @ 3600+, 115 HVLD @ 3450. If I were to rebarrel, I would go faster than the current 1:10", and push a 131 Blackjack @ 3300.
I have a 24" 6CM that pushes a 105 Hybrid @ 3100, or a 101 HH @ 3180.
If you don't reload, I would go .243Win if it is more of a coyote/varmint rifle. If deer sized game are on the menu, look at a 1:8" or 1:7.5" and push a 105-115.
I have a 24" 6CM that pushes a 105 Hybrid @ 3100, or a 101 HH @ 3180.
If you don't reload, I would go .243Win if it is more of a coyote/varmint rifle. If deer sized game are on the menu, look at a 1:8" or 1:7.5" and push a 105-115.
RockyMtnMT
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What're the guns you are getting rid of? Thinking sell one and fund the rebarrel an truing of the other. End up with a higher quality semi custom vs a hit or miss factory rifle.
cjl2010
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Looking back at when this thread was started
RockyMtnMT
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Haha! I didn't notice that! Oops
I have owned both!! I have seen big bodied river white tails killed with both, but I kept the old rem 700 in a 25-06 and then about two years ago I picked up my wife her first gun, a Sako 75 in a 25-06!! Huge fan of the 25-06. But to muddy the water a bit.....what about a Weatherby Mark V in a 257 Weatherby Mag! It will have superior ballistics with out having form brass. I currently shoot a 257roy until I finish my 300roy. I and my father have taken more deer with that old 700 in a 25-06 then a lot of ppl could imagine, and countless coyotes across the pastures and bean/corn fields here in NE Louisiana. Shot the old 115gr cor-Loks. I now shoot 100 barns vortex for my wife and I shot 115 ABs in the 257.
WildRose
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I would go with one of the 6.5's. My personal favorite for the intermediate 6.5's is the .260 Rem but the 6.5L, 6.5CM, 6.5x55 etc are all very close.
matt_3479
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If it was me I'd be going 6mm for sure. Unless you were looking to do a custom build then I'd consider a 25 cal. The new 131gr blackjacks for the 25 cal are crazy and if you built around that bullet then I'd go 25. If not then 6mm for sure. Better bc bullets, better factory offerings for both 243. Win or 6mm creed, lighter recoil, if you reload, less powder, better brass for both (lapua, alpha, Peterson). To me it's a no brainer. 115vld from Berger for the 25 cal is actually a bc of .483 where the 105hybrid in 243 cal is .536 and will be pushed 3100 range from both. You could probably get 3050 with the 115dtacs and both of those options are beating the 25 cal. I just finished a 6mm build for that exact purpose. But I'd also like a heavy 22 cal. A 75vld at .43-.46 bc at 3400+ is pretty impressive as well. 22-250 AI or 22 creed is another viable option.
MudRunner2005
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The .25-06 AI will hang right there with a .257 Wby. I've owned both, and compared them side-by-side. They both had 26" 1:10 twist barrels. All things equal, they were within 75 FPS MV with the same 115 VLD's. Also, .270 Win brass is cheap, and will last just as long, if not longer than the .257 Wby. The .25-06 AI has less muzzle blast, less recoil, and has a smoother recoil impulse.
Also, I wouldn't waste a single penny on a MK-V... I had an Accumark, it was junk and Weatherby refused to fixed it, even though it had a massive manufacturing defect (bad barrel). They'll never get another red cent from me as long as I live.
