New thread began to avoid hijacking the other. OK Rich I've apparently painted myself into a corner. Apparently EOL and Berger are moving forward with a 155 grain 6.5 bullet. I have 2 actions to play with a #1, and a magnum Montana 1999. Which case do we play with? Open to one you haven't done. Steve I've been thinking about 6.5 set up around a Hammer for a few month's. How heavy can we get an all copper? Starting from scratch so spin it as fast as you want? No magazine length worries. Toss common sense, and practical for now, free style a bit, Others thoughts perfectly welcome.