25WSM
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Most factory bedded rifles are free floating. Free floated barrels are normally more accurate but not always.
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Is my Bergara Bergarbage?
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I personally have never seen a shooting chorny give erroneous velocity readings on a given day in a given lighting condition so I have never seen one given faulty high es. I have however on several occasions seen them change the velocity output from day to day even though I have extreme confidence the velocity did not change do to impacts not changing vertically at long distance.
6.5-300 BEE
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Hey guys (25WSM excepted), stop sending this guy all over the place. Let him get a solid baseline as per my suggestions. Once we have that data we can offer much better advice.
101stCurrahee
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Working on it. Just grabbed the ammo and copper solvent. Should have results in a few hours.
I see you always loving on these companies with lemons popping up everywhere... funny.
I would grab some federal gold metal match, hornady precision hunter, and a box of nosler premium ammo. If none of them shoot at least MOA, sell that mfer or put a new tube in on it from someone who actually doesn't have their head up the south end of a north bound donkey
VLD Pilot
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First I think I'd try another chronograph. An ES of 200 seems nearly impossible even for factory ammo. 20-50 maybe. 200, I think there's something else going on. Once you get that number figured out, go from there. Very possibly can be something simple.
25WSM
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Either people just started complaining about these rifles or all the companies are lacking in quality control anymore. More and more threads on Savage bergara and CA. Never see anything on Tikka. Sako has their crap together it seems. It's just sad.
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UplandFreak
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The rona must be making you delirious...The only bergara I own is a premier approach - the premier series is a completely different rifle than the spanish imports.
In sako I trust. Everyone else bring data
Muddyboots
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Accuracy:
1 - I have several Pro Chrono's over the years and have worked flawlessly right up to when I have shot them
Distance from muzzle is ABSOLUTELY critical with them and I also tape measure at least 30' from muzzle and use screens to improve bullet shadow. I rather doubt it is the chrony at this time. There seemed to be a few no readings or errors that may suggest too close to muzzle. If it is too close, you can get bad readings, no readings etc just from muzzle blast and shock wave. If the Pro Chrono is at least 30' from muzzle using screens and you are getting errors then I would maybe think it is the chronograph and send it back, they are really good on responding.
2 - Ok its a Berger and like some of them the accuracy node for it is absolutely critical to the seating depth so even if you think you found the velocity/accuracy point there is still work to be done to shrink groups. I didn't see the seating depth which can be huge player in this problem you are having with the Bergers. I would not be surprised at all if groups can be cut in half or more with further seating depth tests but that is to be determined at this point. If you haven't read Brian Litz and Erick Stecker articles on seating depth for Berger bullets, I would highly recommend before you burn more powder and bullets. I've attached them for you to consider. I tried the 185 Hybrid VLD Hunter in my 300WSM and it shot terrible until I finally found the seating depth of 0.095 off that cut groups down by 85%! other wise, my 1952 Win 94 30/30 with iron sights could shoot as well at 100 yards.
3 - IF the velocities are somewhat correct, they seem a bit on high side which can cause wild swings for variety of reasons. They have an enormous BC so you really don't have to "hammer" (couldn't resist that pun) them for downrange performance so loads do not have to be scorching to get great down range work.
300WM rifles usually will shoot pretty much anything well over 190 + grains so I would lean more on the load side of the problem unless a factory load craps which I will be surprised. I will reiterate one more time that Bergers can shoot lights out but sometimes they will drive you batty finding that accuracy node that can be up to 0.120 off so be open minded with the seating depth and flexible to adjust load for it.
1 - I have several Pro Chrono's over the years and have worked flawlessly right up to when I have shot them
Distance from muzzle is ABSOLUTELY critical with them and I also tape measure at least 30' from muzzle and use screens to improve bullet shadow. I rather doubt it is the chrony at this time. There seemed to be a few no readings or errors that may suggest too close to muzzle. If it is too close, you can get bad readings, no readings etc just from muzzle blast and shock wave. If the Pro Chrono is at least 30' from muzzle using screens and you are getting errors then I would maybe think it is the chronograph and send it back, they are really good on responding.2 - Ok its a Berger and like some of them the accuracy node for it is absolutely critical to the seating depth so even if you think you found the velocity/accuracy point there is still work to be done to shrink groups. I didn't see the seating depth which can be huge player in this problem you are having with the Bergers. I would not be surprised at all if groups can be cut in half or more with further seating depth tests but that is to be determined at this point. If you haven't read Brian Litz and Erick Stecker articles on seating depth for Berger bullets, I would highly recommend before you burn more powder and bullets. I've attached them for you to consider. I tried the 185 Hybrid VLD Hunter in my 300WSM and it shot terrible until I finally found the seating depth of 0.095 off that cut groups down by 85%! other wise, my 1952 Win 94 30/30 with iron sights could shoot as well at 100 yards.
3 - IF the velocities are somewhat correct, they seem a bit on high side which can cause wild swings for variety of reasons. They have an enormous BC so you really don't have to "hammer" (couldn't resist that pun) them for downrange performance so loads do not have to be scorching to get great down range work.
300WM rifles usually will shoot pretty much anything well over 190 + grains so I would lean more on the load side of the problem unless a factory load craps which I will be surprised. I will reiterate one more time that Bergers can shoot lights out but sometimes they will drive you batty finding that accuracy node that can be up to 0.120 off so be open minded with the seating depth and flexible to adjust load for it.
6.5-300 BEE
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Hey all you guys with these terrible Savages, Begaras and what ever that won't shoot fish in a barrel, pack them up and send them along to me. The ones I get to shoot sub moa, I'll give you $100 each for, those that don't I'll send back postpaid. In 60 years I've yet to see any modern rifle w/o any visible defect that I can't get 1 moa out of. I won't hold my breath by the mailbox.
LOL! Well next time hurry up and solve all the problems so the rest of us can save our time. I did not realize you were they authority, but now we all know. Your suggestions on checking fasteners and bedding could not possibly fix an es issue. Your step 3/4 is where he needs to start assuming he has another chrono. Good luck OP.
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Maybe your chrony isn't working to show that big of velocity difference?
Might really not like that bullet, I chased my tail for many rounds on a semi custom 7rem and swapped bullets and almost instantly had a good load.
But the rifle most likely needs to be sent back for warranty
Might really not like that bullet, I chased my tail for many rounds on a semi custom 7rem and swapped bullets and almost instantly had a good load.
But the rifle most likely needs to be sent back for warranty
6.5-300 BEE
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As I said, any fixing requires a baseline. If the scope mount is loose all the mucking about with case trimming, bullet seating etc won't help a bit.
A step by step logical approach to solving a problem is far better than flailing about.
By his account he bought a good rifle. All "good" rifles, w/o obvious defects, shoot quality factory ammo well. Read GUNTESTS and see.
A step by step logical approach to solving a problem is far better than flailing about.
By his account he bought a good rifle. All "good" rifles, w/o obvious defects, shoot quality factory ammo well. Read GUNTESTS and see.
