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Unfortunately I can't share my reamer specs. I do this for a living. I spend thousands of dollars in time and components designing these reamers and testing them out. Therefore I cant give the info away for free. Customers get dummy rounds and load info so they will have their loads in 30 rounds or less.
 
I'm probably the last person that should comment, give an opinion, on this topic, but I feel it would cause confusion and chaos.. So here it is.. *** are you people smoking? why on god's green earth are you guys trying to spit a 30 caliber, 212 to 215 grain pill out at 3,100+ FPS? Are you trying to shoot elephants at 2.9 miles? I have shot the 180 grain 300 RUM two shots and thought it was the most brutal SOB in existence. I have not heard of these other rounds. You all are telling me that there are more brutal rounds out there than the 300 RUM? *place a considerable string of cussing here* this is madness, UTTER MADNESS I say! I have a 300 RUM w/Muzzle brake I am trying to sell because I just can't see a use for it in my arsenal of calibers. it's only had 2 rounds through it and needs to go away, far-far away. Maybe some mid-western/plains guy will see my ad on gun broker and snatch the thing up. it does not need to be in my possession. all I will do is convert it into a really nice 338 Lapua Magnum long range hunter.
I know where you're coming from. About 15 years ago before I started having custom rifles built I bought a stock Remington 700 and 7 mm RUM. It was never that accurate I don't remember what the Moa was on it but I know it was not 1/2 inch rifle no matter what I did to the load. I wanted a highly accurate long-range rifle . Not that I'd always shoot long range but I wanted that capability if I needed it. The first year of use was okay I took a few animals I didn't really notice the recoil that much. The second year I focused on load development trying to tighten up the group. I started to Flinch badly. When I shot it it felt like I was violated. I think it was from shooting so much on the bench and I did not have a muzzle brake. I switched over to the 28 Nosler early and it's life and had custom rifles build with muzzle brakes. The resulting recoil was much less then a 7 Mag. I believe that with the proper weight rifle 9 1/2 to 10 lbs, with a good muzzle brake I'll see recoil less than a 300 Win Mag. Again I want the capability of being able to shoot long-distance very accurately but knowing I don't always have to use that. I found it by doing this I can make shorter shots with tight limits on the size of the target with ease.
 
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It would seem though that a 338 Lapua in 10 lb would have a lot more recoil then I 300 rum both with muzzle brakes. But I don't know because I don't have either one right now.
 
I'm probably the last person that should comment, give an opinion, on this topic, but I feel it would cause confusion and chaos.. So here it is.. *** are you people smoking? why on god's green earth are you guys trying to spit a 30 caliber, 212 to 215 grain pill out at 3,100+ FPS? Are you trying to shoot elephants at 2.9 miles? I have shot the 180 grain 300 RUM two shots and thought it was the most brutal SOB in existence. I have not heard of these other rounds. You all are telling me that there are more brutal rounds out there than the 300 RUM? *place a considerable string of cussing here* this is madness, UTTER MADNESS I say! I have a 300 RUM w/Muzzle brake I am trying to sell because I just can't see a use for it in my arsenal of calibers. it's only had 2 rounds through it and needs to go away, far-far away. Maybe some mid-western/plains guy will see my ad on gun broker and snatch the thing up. it does not need to be in my possession. all I will do is convert it into a really nice 338 Lapua Magnum long range hunter.

What is it and how much?
 
I would like some thoughts of The Forum on this. I'm getting ready to do a new 30 caliber Magnum rifle build. I was looking at a 30 Nosler , 30- 28 Nosler Wildcat , the 300 PRC and the 300 PRC Sherman improved . Because I thought none of them could reach the 3150 feet per second I was looking for out of 212 - 215 grain bullets, I jumped up to the 300 Remington Ultra Mag an ordered a long throated Reimer from PTG. Looking closer at the 300 PRC Sherman improved load data shows velocities of 3190 and 3200 + fps that seems to beat the 30 - 28 Nosler and rival the 300 Remington Ultra Mag. What are your guys's thoughts . Please help me understand if I'm wrong on this. I'd like a healthy discussion on this as once I build a rifle, I'll be stuck with that cartridge until I sell it or wear out the barrel. The build is on a Remington 700 action with a 28 in proof research carbon fiber Barrel I believe the twist rate is 1 + 9 or could be one an 8.5 I'll have to look.

Don't get hung up on numbers. Especially when the difference is 50 ft/sec or less. I get 3100 out of my 300 Dakota with 210gr Berger hunting bullets with no pressure. Could push it harder if I wanted to. The 300 PRC is equal to or slightly superior to the Dakota. The 300 PRC has been developed and tweaked over 10 years of being around. We (DoD) have been killing people with it in places most Americans can't point to on a map, pronounce, or spell for 6 or 7 years. Just because Hornady introduced it to you and me a year or so ago doesn't mean they did quick and uncanny negotiation with the Marine Corps for the contract overnight. The Marines new well what they were getting well in advance. Qualified snipers regularly score perfect, or nearly so, at ranges WELL beyond a mile with the PRC. The reason it works so well is the case geometry has been optimized for 100% load density with optimal powders for this round. That can't be said for the 300 Norma, which is similar to what your Sherman Improved would be. When you load up a cartridge like that, the slightest tilt upward or downward in angle can cause a miss at those ranges if the load density isn't 100%. You have a sharper shoulder vs the Norma, but the issue is the width of the case up around the neck. Ultra Mags run into trouble with adequate magazine length with those projectiles optimally loaded because they're too long. Maybe ok if you intend to make it a single shot or spend a butt load of money with specially made magazine wells. Forget about the 30 Nosler, it doesn't belong in the conversation. Besides brass is RARELY available and when it is, it's twice the price of Ultra Mag brass and 3 times what PRC brass is. The only other option I'd seriously recommend is the 338 Norma, but you're going to have to have an action with a .750" diameter bolt because of the thrust. It's geometry is well designed, too.

If you "improve" the PRC, you've messed with the proven geometry. If 50 fps is that important to you, add 1 extra inch of barrel to your standard 300 PRC. You're going to spend twice the time and money and half your barrel life fire forming, and that's an art all to its own. Just the right fire forming load has to be used to get the cases consistently the same length and anywhere near the parent case length. That will get old FAST, not to mention expensive. The 300 PRC is the only great option here. You can get 3150 fps with a 212 grain ELD if you put at least 28" of barrel on it. That's an inch more than what's on my Dakota. I just built a rifle to do what you are doing and mine is a 338 Edge, and it's a single shot. I wanted to try a 338 caliber with over .800 BC available and the Ultra Mag brass was the cheapest among the available options. I had rather have had a 338 Norma, but would have had to have Defiance customize me an action the correct length with appropriate bolt face to make it just right. Too much money and time! I can do ALMOST anything with my Dakota that I could do with a PRC. No need to split hairs there. Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it shoots!
 
RPierce, I have a 300 RUM and have shot it without a muzzle brake. it has one now. I hate the rifle, hate the stock, I hate the powder it takes, and I hate the fact it will not shoot any slug over 175 grain VLD accurately. the gun is up for sale. I will never own another 30 cal over my 300 win mag. it just is not worth my time or effort. I can shoot Elk at over 800 yards with my 300 Win Mag without a second thought. why in god's name do I need this 300 RUM? I was stupid to buy it in the first place. I should rip the barrel off the gun and rebarrel it to a 270 wildcat off the 7MM rem mag with a tight twist barrel and be done with it.
 
It would seem though that a 338 Lapua in 10 lb would have a lot more recoil then I 300 rum both with muzzle brakes. But I don't know because I don't have either one right now.
I have all three, 300 Win MAg, 300 RUM, and 338 Lapua mag.
the 300 RUM is far more brutal even without a muzzle brake.
all of them have muzzle brakes. the 338 Lapua is the least recoiling with the muzzle brake, then the 300 Win.. the RUM just sucks.
all of my rifles are under 8 pounds with scopes.
the 300 RUM has to go or it gets turned into a 270 wildcat with a #5 taper barrel, 1:8" tight twist R-5 rifled barrel, a Brown Precision stock, good glass, Jewell Trigger, and a one port muzzle brake.
 
RPierce, I have a 300 RUM and have shot it without a muzzle brake. it has one now. I hate the rifle, hate the stock, I hate the powder it takes, and I hate the fact it will not shoot any slug over 175 grain VLD accurately. the gun is up for sale. I will never own another 30 cal over my 300 win mag. it just is not worth my time or effort. I can shoot Elk at over 800 yards with my 300 Win Mag without a second thought. why in god's name do I need this 300 RUM? I was stupid to buy it in the first place. I should rip the barrel off the gun and rebarrel it to a 270 wildcat off the 7MM rem mag with a tight twist barrel and be done with it.


I think we understand you hate big 30s. I have to ask why you are posting in a thread where the OP is obviously interested in them? This kind of crap is getting old on this forum.
 
What makes you think you "need" to turn necks with a 30-28? You order the reamer the way you want that determines if you need or want to turn.
Mine is a .344 neck and ADG loaded round is .339 necked up 28 Nosler brass.
If I reform brass from say a 300 rum down to 30 28 Nosler, squishing the body down for a new neck tends to make it thicker. Plus the consistency of the neck can be off so I tend to turn them. I think your solution is better do you use ADG brass and neck up. I don't like to neck 28 Nosler, Nosler brass first because it's expensive and second I want to keep the brass separate for my 28 Nosler rifles. ADG brass would allow me to easily see a head stamp difference to keep the lots separate. That is if I go that route. I'm seeing a lot of good points from a lot of people here both pro and con for different cartridges. This is great!
 
Don't get hung up on numbers. Especially when the difference is 50 ft/sec or less. I get 3100 out of my 300 Dakota with 210gr Berger hunting bullets with no pressure. Could push it harder if I wanted to. The 300 PRC is equal to or slightly superior to the Dakota. The 300 PRC has been developed and tweaked over 10 years of being around. We (DoD) have been killing people with it in places most Americans can't point to on a map, pronounce, or spell for 6 or 7 years. Just because Hornady introduced it to you and me a year or so ago doesn't mean they did quick and uncanny negotiation with the Marine Corps for the contract overnight. The Marines new well what they were getting well in advance. Qualified snipers regularly score perfect, or nearly so, at ranges WELL beyond a mile with the PRC. The reason it works so well is the case geometry has been optimized for 100% load density with optimal powders for this round. That can't be said for the 300 Norma, which is similar to what your Sherman Improved would be. When you load up a cartridge like that, the slightest tilt upward or downward in angle can cause a miss at those ranges if the load density isn't 100%. You have a sharper shoulder vs the Norma, but the issue is the width of the case up around the neck. Ultra Mags run into trouble with adequate magazine length with those projectiles optimally loaded because they're too long. Maybe ok if you intend to make it a single shot or spend a butt load of money with specially made magazine wells. Forget about the 30 Nosler, it doesn't belong in the conversation. Besides brass is RARELY available and when it is, it's twice the price of Ultra Mag brass and 3 times what PRC brass is. The only other option I'd seriously recommend is the 338 Norma, but you're going to have to have an action with a .750" diameter bolt because of the thrust. It's geometry is well designed, too.

If you "improve" the PRC, you've messed with the proven geometry. If 50 fps is that important to you, add 1 extra inch of barrel to your standard 300 PRC. You're going to spend twice the time and money and half your barrel life fire forming, and that's an art all to its own. Just the right fire forming load has to be used to get the cases consistently the same length and anywhere near the parent case length. That will get old FAST, not to mention expensive. The 300 PRC is the only great option here. You can get 3150 fps with a 212 grain ELD if you put at least 28" of barrel on it. That's an inch more than what's on my Dakota. I just built a rifle to do what you are doing and mine is a 338 Edge, and it's a single shot. I wanted to try a 338 caliber with over .800 BC available and the Ultra Mag brass was the cheapest among the available options. I had rather have had a 338 Norma, but would have had to have Defiance customize me an action the correct length with appropriate bolt face to make it just right. Too much money and time! I can do ALMOST anything with my Dakota that I could do with a PRC. No need to split hairs there. Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it shoots!
I agree that the PRC is a pretty good design. They copied my 30/375 S.I. that Ive been shooting for 8 years or so. They left SOME body taper and 40 degree shoulder though because of difficulty in manufacturing brass. :D
PRC is good. 30 SM is better and you can shoot PRC ammo at . 3 moa
 
I agree that the PRC is a pretty good design. They copied my 30/375 S.I. that Ive been shooting for 8 years or so. They left SOME body taper and 40 degree shoulder though because of difficulty in manufacturing brass. :D
PRC is good. 30 SM is better and you can shoot PRC ammo at . 3 moa

I'm pretty sure they have no idea who you are...
 
I'm pretty sure they have no idea who you are...
well Im pretty sure they do since they've been making the dies for 8 years!! But thanks anyway!
It may not have even been intentional but if it wasnt for a tighter neck from turning the 375 necks, I could have fired them in my chamber.
 
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