Cutting Edge Bullets

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Overkill338, Jul 9, 2019.


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  1. Overkill338

    Overkill338 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone looked at those things? The front supposed to peel back and break off (sending shrapnel in a star pattern), but the base keeps going. I know in pistols, they test horribly, poor penetration. I just can't see it going any better with a rifle.

    So, what other "snake oil" bullets have you run across?
     
  2. BallisticsGuy

    BallisticsGuy Well-Known Member

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    Judge for yourself. Looks to me like they perform decently in gel.
    CEB video


    Barbour Creek video with long range expansion


    In a pistol bullet, gimmick. Velocity is too low to get good secondary wound channel depth. In a rifle bullet you've got 2-3x the speed on tap, maybe a little gimmicky but ---- those fragments make it DEEP and the shank is pretty meaty.

    A little premature to be calling them snake oil. Looks like a viable option. Not my thing but I don't like monometals at all anyway.
     
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  3. sable tireur

    sable tireur Well-Known Member

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    WOW! That's a lot harsh for an analysis not based in fact at all. Maybe wait until you actually shoot a few before castigating the manufacturer.

    I've tested some of the rifle bullets on hogs and a couple of them on longer range deer with nothing short of excellent results. Maybe this isn't enough to dissuade you from insulting the manufacturer but I can certainly suggest a little looking for realistic reviews instead of some unsupported suppositions.

    Best of Luck!:)
     
  4. Overkill338

    Overkill338 Well-Known Member

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    Companies have spent fortunes developing bullets that don't fragment. Then some goomers come along and design one that does? Seems it was an answer for a question no one asked. All those gimmick rounds are just that, gimmicks. Like the RIP "self defense" rounds. Some people swear by those Lehigh bullets that look like a Phillips screwdriver. Sometimes they test well, and sometimes they don't. I've got a friend that works for Underwood, and he loves those things. Always trying to get me to buy them for my 10mm. To each their own I guess.
     
  5. Overkill338

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    I'm sorry if my opinion offended you. I just don't see a place for them unless you are trying to keep a SD bullet from over penetrating in a home. I know they are a sponsor here, but I don't have to blow smoke up someone's --- just to pacify them. Those rounds might be ok on yotes though. In those tests, their Blunt Trauma Base exits. That is just wasted energy. I think everyone knows "ideal" is stopping under the offside hide.
     
  6. Wedgy

    Wedgy Well-Known Member

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    It's a balance of penetration and expansion no matter if you hit soft tissue or bone so it is a viable design, think about it.
     
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  7. Triple BB

    Triple BB Well-Known Member

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    They’re incredibly accurate in my 300 RUM. Looking forward to shooting my elk and deer with them this fall. My Smith swears by them and sez he’s taken quite a few animals with CE bullets. Seems like I saw where CE bullets took the top couple spots in a recent 2 mile shoot. To each his own...
     
  8. BallisticsGuy

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    Fragmentation only means that the bullet broke at least one piece off. It's not like it went to powder and lost penetrative capacity. Catastrophic fragmentation is useful in some places like varmint bullets. Controlled fragmentation (which is what those CEB's are) is quite a different thing which I think OP is misunderstanding. The vast majority of the mass appears to hold together in a single mass and enables the very deep penetration that I've come to find is characteristic of monometal big game projectiles. The few petals don't seem to make up much total mass at all. If you look at how much mass typical lead core unbonded big game bullets like to lose and compare the numbers I think you'll recalibrate your choice of terminology.
     
  9. Bravo 4

    Bravo 4 Well-Known Member

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    Nope...I want an entrance hole, an exit hole, and a whole lot of damage in between.
    I have used the Cutting Edge match tactical hunting (MTH) and, although extremely accurate, was less than impressed with the terminal performance. I have a buddy that has used them in some fast .338s and said the same thing. I have been playing with some of the Lazers, they are very accurate but no experience on game yet. So far the Hammer bullets have been the best in the terminal performance department.
     
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  10. Overkill338

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    It's a double edged sword of sorts. Two holes bleed better than one, but a pass through means the bullet did not dump all of its energy in hydrostatic shock. That's why I'd rather find the bullet under the hide.
     
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    Bravo 4 Well-Known Member

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    Yes Sir, I can understand where your beliefs are coming from. However the deer and elk we have shot with the Hammers have been devastated internally, and they fully penetrated through several feet of elk. Don’t know if I want any more damage than that!:D
     
  12. NEMTHunter

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    The lazers are used for ELR shooting by a lot of guys.

    Overkill338 Are you just singling out the raptor line? Or the whole bullet line?
     
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  13. HARPERC

    HARPERC Well-Known Member

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    Never seen an animal impressed by foot lbs energy. For lethal destroy maximum vital tissue. For recovery give me an exit hole.
     
  14. BoomFlop

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    Overkill338, based on your negativity/complaints to most all bullet threads lately (many you have started)....I’m dying to know what bullet you shoot? It must be perfect!

    Thanks!
    Steve