195 EOL or 215 Hybrid

[GetReel]

So I had a discussion with a buddy the other day and the wheels been turning ever since.

He was talking about his buddies rifle (Piercision 30-28 Nosler) and it's abilities. I started looking into 28 Nosler vs 30-28 Nosler vs 300 WM (which I own).
I am now very tempted to make a change. My rifle is a Christensen ELR 300 WM with McMillian stock, 26" 1-10.
I'm tempted to either rebarrel or sell. Leaning towards selling and starting with a Kelby action.
Would you put a rig together specifically to shoot the .284 195gr EOL or a .308 to shoot 215's or 245 EOL?
I'd like to hear some discussions on this.

Ps. This would not be a high volume rifle so not a concern about barrel life. Plinking/Elk

 

[Rum Man]

Well I cant help you on the 195gr just yet. I havent had a chance to try them in a 7 Rum i picked up .

Now the 245 gr had my interest to so I put together a 26" 1/9 twist Omr Carbon barrel in a 300 Rum , on a Defiance tenacity action . So far it's been shooting great ! A bunch of Nv570 and the 245 gr berger is running 3010 ft.per.sec. sd - 0 and es - 1 and 1/2" at 100 yards . I'm waiting for the crops to come off to stretch it out ! Looks like I cant test it out to 2500 yards on this piece of ground .
So far it's my new favorite Rifle !

This should be great on a Montana Spring Bear hunt ! My goal with this rifle is out to 1250 + yards on game .

Also let us know what your intentions are with this new build your thinking .

Rum Man

 

[QuietTexan]

Any particular reason you're limiting to the Noslers and Win Mag? If you load there are plenty of other (better) options.

 

[The Oregonian]

I had a 28N and when it was time for a rebarrel I went with a 30N. When you get to that level of power to me it says elk, and to me it makes sense to shoot 200gr or more. There are just so many more bullet options in 30 cal.

Having said that, I have a 280 ackley that I love and that can also work fine for elk but the 30N is my primary elk gun. The 280AI is super versatile between 140 and 180 grain bullet weights while 30 cal is more versatile in 180+ grains.

The 28N was also super finicky and I would not buy another.

 

[FEENIX]

So I had a discussion with a buddy the other day and the wheels been turning ever since.

He was talking about his buddies rifle (Piercision 30-28 Nosler) and it's abilities. I started looking into 28 Nosler vs 30-28 Nosler vs 300 WM (which I own).
I am now very tempted to make a change. My rifle is a Christensen ELR 300 WM with McMillian stock, 26" 1-10.
I'm tempted to either rebarrel or sell. Leaning towards selling and starting with a Kelby action.
Would you put a rig together specifically to shoot the .284 195gr EOL or a .308 to shoot 215's or 245 EOL?
I'd like to hear some discussions on this.

Ps. This would not be a high volume rifle so not a concern about barrel life. Plinking/Elk

I prefer the .30 cal propelling the 215s, 230s, and 245s. Whichever cartridge you decide on, ensure you have enough powder capacity to take advantage of the heaviest bullet you will use. Also, have the right barrel twist, i.e., 1:8" for the 245s. Good luck with your project.

 

[GetReel]

I had a 28N and when it was time for a rebarrel I went with a 30N. When you get to that level of power to me it says elk, and to me it makes sense to shoot 200gr or more. There are just so many more bullet options in 30 cal.

Having said that, I have a 280 ackley that I love and that can also work fine for elk but the 30N is my primary elk gun. The 280AI is super versatile between 140 and 180 grain bullet weights while 30 cal is more versatile in 180+ grains.

The 28N was also super finicky and I would not buy another.

I have a 6.5x284 that I had build to run the 156's. So I have that criteria filled.
I have a the 300wm Christensen and I was wanting to get into a different action. I don't like how the Christensen action pushes the spent brass against the side of the action during extraction and can dent the neck of the case. Ya I can slow down the bolt cycle and such but I've been looking at that Kelby action and I like it. (Also not ruling out another Defiance action haha).
So if I want a new action. I am just going to build a new rifle and might as well build something that is going to push a heavy .284 or .308 bullet at a significant velocity.
I am not set on those bullets but I mentioned but those are what I was basing my criteria around.

 

[GetReel]

Any particular reason you're limiting to the Noslers and Win Mag? If you load there are plenty of other (better) options.

I am not limiting to those options, those were what came to mind. I have the 300 WM and if I am building a new rifle, I want more snuff that what the 300wm has. Yes I know it has plenty but… I have a 6.5x284 that was built to run the 156's so I have all the deer size game covered.
I was considering the 28N cause of the large case capacity to push the 195. If I'm dropping back to a 284 I want to push that sucker. And ballistically, the 195 going 3k is amazing.
If I stick with the 30 cal class, I just want a more modern cartridge that has more case capacity for higher velocity with the 215, 230,245 class bullets.
Don't think I really want to get into the 33 cal game.

 

[iowacity]

I've owned both a 28 Nosler shooting 195s and a 300 prc shooting 245s. The recoil is a little more on the 300 over the 28, but not bad. I've killed a lot of elk with the 195s without issue. Every one was one shot and I haven't had an elk run after being hit. All went right down. I've had the same results on deer. My longest shot on game with the 28 was close to 800 yards.
I've only killed two animals so far with the 300 PRC and 245s. So far the results have been similar to the 28, with the furthest shot at 360 yards.

Performance in the wind seems to be about the same. The 300 takes a little more attention when shooting to maintain good form due to the extra recoil. The 300 should give better barrel life over the 28.

 

[GetReel]

I prefer the .30 cal propelling the 215s, 230s, and 245s. Whichever cartridge you decide on, ensure you have enough powder capacity to take advantage of the heaviest bullet you will use. Also, have the right barrel twist, i.e., 1:8" for the 245s. Good luck with your project.

I threw the .284cal 195 in the mix cause that 28N can push that bullet. That bullet at 3k is a bad *** round. (Never had one or loaded for one so don't know how finicky they are).
If I go the 30cal route I would like to shoot the 215-245 at a good clip.

 

[lancetkenyon]

I have a 28 Nosler pushing the 195 @ 3099fps. It is currently my long range elk rifle. It is a crusher! It takes a lot of speed for even a 230 .308 Hyb to outrun the 195s.

And yet, I am building a bigger 30 next year. I am leaning hard towards a .300WM "RM". I had picked up 1200 of the 200.20x Hybs in anticipation. Then, finally, the 215s were released again, so I grabbed 2k for the new build.

I think if you want to keep 1800fps and 1500ft/lbs, the 28 w. 195s will outrun a .300WM w. 215s. You would need to step way up in case size to push a 230 Hyb or 245 EOL fast enough to keep up. Like a .300RUM or .300NMI. At added recoil as well.

 

[Calvin45]

I am not limiting to those options, those were what came to mind. I have the 300 WM and if I am building a new rifle, I want more snuff that what the 300wm has. Yes I know it has plenty but… I have a 6.5x284 that was built to run the 156's so I have all the deer size game covered.
I was considering the 28N cause of the large case capacity to push the 195. If I'm dropping back to a 284 I want to push that sucker. And ballistically, the 195 going 3k is amazing.
If I stick with the 30 cal class, I just want a more modern cartridge that has more case capacity for higher velocity with the 215, 230,245 class bullets.
Don't think I really want to get into the 33 cal game.

I own a .300 win mag and feel the same, if I get a different 30 it needs to have more juice or I'd just stick with what I have.

Any reason why the .300 rum isn't on the table?

.30-338 lapua?

.300 Norma?

 

[GetReel]

I own a .300 win mag and feel the same, if I get a different 30 it needs to have more juice or I'd just stick with what I have.

Any reason why the .300 rum isn't on the table?

.30-338 lapua?

.300 Norma?

I'm open to any suggestions. I already have dies for the 300 RUM I load for my dad.

 

[Longtine88]

I agree with lance on the 195's and 28 nosler. Mine runs them 3,120 fps and it hammers. I've been playing with a 300 rum and 30 nosler last few weeks and now I have a delima cause the 39 nosler is slinging 215's at 3,100 and the rum is at 3,195 fps. Now those two will beat the 195's. But not much. Trust me an elk won't know the difference at 1,200 yards.

 

[GetReel]

I have a 28 Nosler pushing the 195 @ 3099fps. It is currently my long range elk rifle. It is a crusher! It takes a lot of speed for even a 230 .308 Hyb to outrun the 195s.

And yet, I am building a bigger 30 next year. I am leaning hard towards a .300WM "RM". I had picked up 1200 of the 200.20x Hybs in anticipation. Then, finally, the 215s were released again, so I grabbed 2k for the new build.

I think if you want to keep 1800fps and 1500ft/lbs, the 28 w. 195s will outrun a .300WM w. 215s. You would need to step way up in case size to push a 230 Hyb or 245 EOL fast enough to keep up. Like a .300RUM or .300NMI. At added recoil as well.

That's why I have the .284 195 in the mix. It will take alot from a 30 to compete.
If I do a 300 RUM or something (cause I already have dies) I could push the larger 30 cal bullets but is it worth the extra recoil? IDK.
That's why I am open to all input.