7MM STW vs 28 Nosler

[WildRose]

The STW did set an ELR World Record last yr. Just saying. I did it. Love the STW !

Kinda shoots the hell out of the "inherently accurate case design" theory we keep hearing about the more modern cases.

Congrats.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Kinda shoots the hell out of the "inherently accurate case design" theory we keep hearing about the more modern cases.

Congrats.

Yep! That "inherently accurate" crap is almost as funny as Hornady continuing to release previously fizzled-out wildcats for their "new and innovative cutting-edge technology" cartridges each year, and people all of a sudden can't get enough of them. LOL

While it's frustrating standing on the consumer side of things, the salesman part of my brain must admit its genius to watch all the sheep gather around and drool over the new shiny of something they wanted no part of 5-10 years prior when it went by a different name.

 

[WildRose]

Find some info for us , I would bet the 28 nosler has or is close to out selling the 7stw ? Why aren't the big names chambering the stw ? The 28 nosler I think Is not a fad and is the best of the group and sells !! It's easy to find 7stw brass but 28 nosler can be hard at times ? Why is that ? Because they are popular maybe ?

Not much chance of that at all. There are 10's of thousands of STW's in the country and a handful of 28N's.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Find some info for us , I would bet the 28 nosler has or is close to out selling the 7stw ? Why aren't the big names chambering the stw ? The 28 nosler I think Is not a fad and is the best of the group and sells !! It's easy to find 7stw brass but 28 nosler can be hard at times ? Why is that ? Because they are popular maybe ?

While I really like the .28 Nosler, the answer is a resounding HELL NO!!! The STW has over 40 years on the .28 Nosler. It's not even a competition.

The reason .28 Nosler brass is not as common, is because 1) it's new, and 2) most of us who shoot the 7mm STW are far vested in the cartridge, and have been for many years. For example, I have more than a few barrel's worth of brand new Nosler 7 STW brass sitting brand new in hermetically sealed bags and in sealed metal .50 cal ammo cans just sitting around. It's not a matter of if I use it, it's a matter of when. Some of us learned to love the cartridge early on. There's guys like WildRose that have been shooting it long before I was, and I've been shooting it for almost 18 years. It's just one of those classics that never goes out of style, because it has one hell of a legacy behind it. The .28 Nosler might be one of those someday, but it's got 35+ years to go before it can even think about competing with the 7mm STW. Ballistic-wise, the .28 Nosler is identical to the 7mm STW. The shorter fatter case makes for really nice cartridge in the factory 3.65" magazine box. But even then, it's got a long way to go to compete in legacy with the 7mm STW.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Not much chance of that at all. There are 10's of thousands of STW's in the country and a handful of 28N's.

Honestly, no BS, probably a million (maybe more) of them all-around the world, and in various brands and customs. Because most major brands have factory chambered the 7mm STW at one point or another...Including Remington, Winchester, Sako, and Weatherby.

 

[dougduey]

The STW is an amazing cartridge. I bought one 4.5 years ago after reading all about it on the 7 STW forum on this website. It's become my favorite cartridge. Plus, it shoots teeny tiny groups at high velocity. It's my go to antelope and mule deer weapon when I'm hunting in the west. And, with so many guys owning a STW, there is a wealth of info and help out there if you need it.

 

[WildRose]

Lack of a belt is a improvement in case capacity when comparing the same size bolt face. That is why the nosler is able to get the same capacity as the stw in a shorter case length and that also improves being able to seat heavy for caliber bullets optimally where they are not taking up case capacity.
To me the 35 degree shoulder of the nosler is a better design compared to the stw's 25 degree shoulder. It should not strech as much as the stw and theoretically should keep the flame point inside the neck for improved barrel life.
Don't take this as me being a hater on the stw because I'm not. Before the 26 nosler came out I was looking at the stw for some time, the shortage of brass kept me from buying one. I had shot the stw a bit and was always impressed with it's performance.
When I started looking at building a 7mm I wanted a un-belted case between the 7mm rem and the rum in Case capacity with a 30-35 degree shoulder and minimum case taper. I was originally going to build a 7 lrm when the 26 came on the market and quickly settled on it as what I was going to build on in 7mm. The only complaint of the nosler case to me is I would have liked a little longer neck.

As some of us who have been shooting the STW for a few decades about barrel life.

I know of quite a few now over 1,500rds still punching holes with great accuracy and a couple that are up over 2,000.

On brass flow, go back to simple physics, path of least resistance.

 

[john armstrong]

Kinda shoots the hell out of the "inherently accurate case design" theory we keep hearing about the more modern cases.

Congrats.

Not one thing wrong with the STW case in my mind.

 

[john armstrong]

Kinda shoots the hell out of the "inherently accurate case design" theory we keep hearing about the more modern cases.

Congrats.

Thank you sir.

 

[Predator 22]

As some of us who have been shooting the STW for a few decades about barrel life.

I know of quite a few now over 1,500rds still punching holes with great accuracy and a couple that are up over 2,000.

On brass flow, go back to simple physics, path of least resistance.

If the STW is getting that many rounds per barrel, the Nosler should be VERY close to the same since their basically identical capacity. But I would be willing to bet, with care taken, they would be 1000-1200 rounds per barrel for both of them.
Don't know what you're getting at with the "brass flow" statement? But the sharper shoulder of the Nosler ADDS resistance.

 

[MudRunner2005]

If the STW is getting that many rounds per barrel, the Nosler should be VERY close to the same since their basically identical capacity. But I would be willing to bet, with care taken, they would be 1000-1200 rounds per barrel for both of them.
Don't know what you're getting at with the "brass flow" statement? But the sharper shoulder of the Nosler ADDS resistance.

This is why I state you should be able to get 1,000+ out of .28 Nosler, but others keep stating lower. If they're equals, they should be equal in all things, right?

 

[WildRose]

If the STW is getting that many rounds per barrel, the Nosler should be VERY close to the same since their basically identical capacity. But I would be willing to bet, with care taken, they would be 1000-1200 rounds per barrel for both of them.
Don't know what you're getting at with the "brass flow" statement? But the sharper shoulder of the Nosler ADDS resistance.

Bras flows every time you work or fire it, it's why we have to trim our brass and why eventually it wears through.

The Nosler may get equal life for people who don't shoot them hot and keep on shooting, but there's nothing inherent in the case design that is going to contain the flame within the chamber and that would defeat the whole purpose of using slower burning powders if it were true.

Powder keeps burning and expanding until it is exhausted that's why we get higher velocities with longer barrels up to a give point for each cartridge.

 

[Predator 22]

Lack of a belt is a improvement in case capacity when comparing the same size bolt face. That is why the nosler is able to get the same capacity as the stw in a shorter case length and that also improves being able to seat heavy for caliber bullets optimally where they are not taking up case capacity.
To me the 35 degree shoulder of the nosler is a better design compared to the stw's 25 degree shoulder. It should not strech as much as the stw and theoretically should keep the flame point inside the neck for improved barrel life.
Don't take this as me being a hater on the stw because I'm not. Before the 26 nosler came out I was looking at the stw for some time, the shortage of brass kept me from buying one. I had shot the stw a bit and was always impressed with it's performance.
When I started looking at building a 7mm I wanted a un-belted case between the 7mm rem and the rum in Case capacity with a 30-35 degree shoulder and minimum case taper. I was originally going to build a 7 lrm when the 26 came on the market and quickly settled on it as what I was going to build on in 7mm. The only complaint of the nosler case to me is I would have liked a little longer neck.

Bras flows every time you work or fire it, it's why we have to trim our brass and why eventually it wears through.

The Nosler may get equal life for people who don't shoot them hot and keep on shooting, but there's nothing inherent in the case design that is going to contain the flame within the chamber and that would defeat the whole purpose of using slower burning powders if it were true.

Powder keeps burning and expanding until it is exhausted that's why we get higher velocities with longer barrels up to a give point for each cartridge.

Wow! Let's take this from the top!

"Brass flows every time you work or fire it, it's why we have to trim our brass and why eventually it wears through."
Duh! Anybody with a brain that shoots and reloads knows this. What I was asking is what is your point? What are you getting at or referencing?
Too your second paragraph, I never said "contain the flame inside the chamber" I said "theoretically should keep the flame point inside the neck". If you haven't heard of this theory look it up. It is only that a theory that is why I stated it as such. Reading comprehension is paramount here!
And if you are going to make a comparison, do it fairly. Of course if someone is banging out round after round through comparable cases the barrel life will suffer. Between the Nosler and the STW, if their treated the same, loaded the same, and taken care of the same. The accurate barrel life will be almost identical.
Just because you have "love affair" with the STW doesn't automatically make it better.

 

[bigngreen]

I will bet money there are more 28 Noslers than STWs out there now, I'm this area no one even knows what it is, I've rebarrel every STW I've ever seen to 28 Nosler. There is 28 factory and brass in every store in our little town, never seen STW. I'll bet a good percentage of STWs are now rebarrel to 28 Nosler!!