Message from President of Federal

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can1010

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I'm good with this explanation and I'm good on components for a long while.

If you didn't plan accordingly from the the last powder shortage, what were you thinking?! There were still plenty of components to be had, through mid August or right before hunting season's started happening.
i am glad your stocked up. what you going to tell that new hunter that come into the gun shop with his grandfather looking for slugs for his first hunting season? to bad you should have stocked up.
don't worry though because I gave him 3 boxes of old win. slugs. Don't worry though because we are making 308 win brass out of 3006 for people or the ones we made and reloaded so some of the younger shooters have something because they don't have the money needed to stock up and you cant find lousy 308 brass or ammo in this country
 

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I don't think or speak about people I disagree with like that and I don't condone that happening around me in my personal life. I've got no sympathy. I'm very grateful for a moderated, civil forum.
My dad taught me "when you start calling names, you just lost the argument and your creditability just went down the tubes!?

Very few of us on this forum are happy with the results of the election, name calling helps nothing.
 

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i am glad your stocked up. what you going to tell that new hunter that come into the gun shop with his grandfather looking for slugs for his first hunting season? to bad you should have stocked up.
don't worry though because I gave him 3 boxes of old win. slugs. Don't worry though because we are making 308 win brass out of 3006 for people or the ones we made and reloaded so some of the younger shooters have something because they don't have the money needed to stock up and you cant find lousy 308 brass or ammo in this country
Don't be gettin' salty at me, I didn't do it to you!
You want 400+ pieces of Winchester 308Win brass new in the bag? I got it. I don't use it. Had it since 2005. Learned all I could shooting 308 on the 1K range and unscrewed the barrels on those rifles, for a better performing long range cartridge! You need some 175SMK moly coated bullets, got them too if you want?!
 

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Pretty funny that he stressed supporting American manufacturing, which is a funny time to do......I totally agree, but if there is nothing on the shelves due to the existing demand, people are going to snatch up whatever is there. That comment is better served when the shelves are full of both domestic dnd foreign ammunition.....
 

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My dad taught me "when you start calling names, you just lost the argument and your creditability just went down the tubes!?

Very few of us on this forum are happy with the results of the election, name calling helps nothing.
I'm probably one of the few on here who is okay with the results, but I also spent a lot of time calling out the other liberals I know for crass generalizations or putdowns. Boy I've had some fiiiights with my girl about that. It's just not okay to decide another American you don't even know is no longer your brother or sister just because of their beliefs, history, or genetic makeup. Criminal behavior is one thing to criticize, and setting boundaries with a belligerent person in your life is reasonable, but throwing base insults is another thing that we need to delete from our conversation. Your dad sounds like a champ.
 

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I don't need your supplies I am as stocked up as you are but we are not the average or new shooters/ hunters and saying you should stock up aint right or the answer.
they make videos telling us how hard they are working but it aint showing up on the selves
 

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I think the ammo reloading supplies will return eventually. We all see this before and after most elections. It's just really bad now from covid. Plus I'm not a patient person when it comes to needing these kinds of supplies. When I'm running real low, I get a little panicky.
 

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What I heard seemed to be that "We're making all the money we can off loaded ammo and can't spare any primers, so why don't you guys just buy our loaded ammo, so we can sell you the bullets, primers and cases, and powder all in one package!" Yes, I'm a cynic...I've also been watching the news!
Have you ever owned or run a company? You make it sound like trying to run a profitable operation is a bad thing.

Let's say a factory manufactures two products, "widgets" and "knickknacks". The "widgets" can be a standalone item or used as a component of a "knickknack". The factory has the capacity to produce 100 "widgets" per hour which will retail for $10 each at a net cost of $5 to produce. The "widgets" are a hot item at the moment and demand exceeds the manufacturing capacity. The same factory is able to manufacture 50 "knickknacks" per hour which retail for $100 and cost $20 each to produce. The 'knickknacks" are also in demand with orders exceeding capacity. Which product should the company focus on? It seems like a pretty simple answer.
 

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I would be very happy to buy their primer widgets as part of a loaded cartridge knicknack. All that's currently available is a video of excuses.

IMO instead of developing 130 new products they don't have available, they should have concentrated on producing more of the ones they have a long history of profits with. Federal has also seen this before, they should have prepared for it as well.
 

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What I heard seemed to be that "We're making all the money we can off loaded ammo and can't spare any primers, so why don't you guys just buy our loaded ammo, so we can sell you the bullets, primers and cases, and powder all in one package!" Yes, I'm a cynic...I've also been watching the news!
That's exactly what he was saying! So y'all not getting primers until they catch up on ammunition production. If you owned the business would you sell your low margin products and therefore not be able to made your high margin products?
 

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I would be very happy to buy their primer widgets as part of a loaded cartridge knicknack. All that's currently available is a video of excuses.

IMO instead of developing 130 new products they don't have available, they should have concentrated on producing more of the ones they have a long history of profits with. Federal has also seen this before, they should have prepared for it as well.
Sorry 59 but I don't understand or agree with your logic?

Before the fists start flying. THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU!

Basically, you are saying manufactures should turn there back on new markets BECAUSE you don't want to wait for what YOU want!

IMHO, if you were running a business using that logic, you would find it difficult to survive.

In the business world, if you are not growing and developing new products you are falling behind.

Look what happened to Redfield, they had the market for many years. They got complacent and lost it all.

Have some patience, when the primers come back, stock up. After the primer shortage thats what I did.
 

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Sorry 59 but I don't understand or agree with your logic?

Before the fists start flying. THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU!

Basically, you are saying manufactures should turn there back on new markets BECAUSE you don't want to wait for what YOU want!

IMHO, if you were running a business using that logic, you would find it difficult to survive.

In the business world, if you are not growing and developing new products you are falling behind.

Look what happened to Redfield, they had the market for many years. They got complacent and lost it all.

Have some patience, when the primers come back, stock up. After the primer shortage thats what I did.
And they need to move their feet right now to stay where they are. People are finally getting pretty sick of having mostly 100 year old bullet designs to choose from, with 70 year old tolerances. I respect them as a brand but I’ve had cases that my gun would barely close on because of bad sizing, and that was in their top end. And it was inaccurate. They also are responsible for remington now whose only merit was being cheap cheap cheap. I’m okay if they spend some money on retooling, I bet some of what comes out of it is fantastic.
 

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The other part of this to consider:

If they increase their capacity by adding shifts, more equipment, or another plant the quality would come into question as they train people to ramp up production.

Then we would hear everyone bitching about how their product is junk and we will never use it again.

I for one like products that are reliable, that is one of the reason i primarily use Federal Primers. Had bad experiences with CCI years ago and my stubborness keeps me from trying them again.

Don't want to see that happen to Federal.
 
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