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Daves762

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Read ON WOLVES, SHEEP, AND SHEEPDOGS by LTCOL David Grossman.
It's an excerpt from his book ON KILLING.
It may help you understand why you are attacking each other over this issue.
 

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Part 1 of comment. Part II to follow in a bit.
Vista Outdoors, and I say this without prejudice, controls enough of the market share of the key critical components for ammunition to enable anti-competitive behavior:
Federal (primers, bullets, brass, components, ammo), Alliant (powder), CCI (primers), Speer (bullets), Remington (primers, bullets, brass, components, ammo), and American Eagle (ammo).
They also own many brands that produce optics - Bushnell, Weaver, Simmons, Redfield, and Tasco
Then throw in RCBS, primos hunting, gunslick, Hoppes, Outers, Uncle Mikes, Blackhawk and many more.
So Vista owns just about everything in primers, whist sharing the market for powder with Hogden. Hogden owns Ramshot, Accurate, Pyrodex, Triple 7, IMR, Winchester Powders, GOEX, and Blackhorn 209 brands.
There are plenty of people out there who make bullets and brass. So it may be that Vista/Federal are taking advantage of in particular their primer dominance to drive some competitors producing ammunition and components out of business.
So yes we have a free, capitalistic market, but long ago it was recognized that monopolies harmful to competition must be curbed to maintain that free market, you can refer to the Sherman Anti Trust Act and the Clayton Act. The Clayton Act specifically references mergers and acquisitions, such as Federal acquiring Remington.
By his own words as above it seems that the CEO of Federal may be admitting that they are swallowing up the entire supply of primers for their own ammunition production, shutting out the rest of the world.
Thus it may be time to file a complaint with the FTC, that regulates such behavior.
Another issue is that of betraying decades of customer loyalty and trust. People who reload are typically the most avid shooting sports consumers. They really do owe their business to their customers, because without customers, they will have no business. So yes, they can make a short term gain but we must complain loudly and vociferously and make it very clear that we will take our business elsewhere in the long term if they persist.
 
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I am not a fan of the current administration, however comments like RH 1776 have no place on this forum and in my opinion only fuels the fire and is counterproductive to what responsible gun owners, hunters and shooters are trying to accomplish in todays politically divided world.
 

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Aiming the government at gun business, is something you will not get my support for. No sir.
I definitely considered that position, but let's examine it a bit more in detail.
I'm willing to guess that Vista/Federal is doing an enormous business with the government.
True story:
Back in the Obama ammo shortage panic I was out at the local range. There was a guy from the gummint out there trying to recruit a new agent. He had a full auto M4, a Mac 10, and bushel baskets full of ammo for the above. He invited me to load a full magazine with .223's and try it out full auto. First time I ever shot full auto. They burned up hundreds and hundreds of rounds. Meanwhile, the local PD and Sheriff departments were pleading for enough ammo to practice for their regular qualification tests.
You'll never guess who he was with... HHS, the department of Health and Human Services.
That brings up another point that was implied a few posts back: where is all the ammo that Federal is claiming to be producing if it isn't in the local gun shops or even online?
I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.
BTW, if the neighbor is beating his wife, don't call the police because it is aiming the government at marriage?
 

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I definitely considered that position, but let's examine it a bit more in detail.
I'm willing to guess that Vista/Federal is doing an enormous business with the government.
True story:
Back in the Obama ammo shortage panic I was out at the local range. There was a guy from the gummint out there trying to recruit a new agent. He had a full auto M4, a Mac 10, and bushel baskets full of ammo for the above. He invited me to load a full magazine with .223's and try it out full auto. First time I ever shot full auto. They burned up hundreds and hundreds of rounds. Meanwhile, the local PD and Sheriff departments were pleading for enough ammo to practice for their regular qualification tests.
You'll never guess who he was with... HHS, the department of Health and Human Services.
That brings up another point that was implied a few posts back: where is all the ammo that Federal is claiming to be producing if it isn't in the local gun shops or even online?
I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.
BTW, if the neighbor is beating his wife, don't call the police because it is aiming the government at marriage?
Things could get even tighter.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/01/fe...ato-service-and-training-ammunition-contract/
 

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BTW, if the neighbor is beating his wife, don't call the police because it is aiming the government at marriage?
What a disgraceful and illogical argument. I refuse to get into the gutter with you.

Good luck to those of you that choose to remain in this thread. (If you can stomach it further) I know I can't.
 
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