Hammer bullet concern

ButterBean

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So this was his comment on another video, now I don’t have a lot of experience with bears as I’ve only killed a single 475 lb black bear but they seem wrong to me based on my results. My bear had 2” of fat on him and the Lehighs that I used were already expanding significantly by the time they entered the chest cavity as shown by the copper fragments between the fat and the rib cage along with the 1” holes through the ribs.

I imagine a much more fragile bullet like the Berger’s or ELDMs would have an issue on this fat with high velocity impacts.
Very well put
 

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ALL bullets can/will fail at some point. A single instance or test is statistically meaningless. Show me multiple tests from different people using the same criteria and equipment and you will get my attention. I will continue to use the Absolute with confidence.
 

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So this was his comment on another video, now I don’t have a lot of experience with bears as I’ve only killed a single 475 lb black bear but they seem wrong to me based on my results. My bear had 2” of fat on him and the Lehighs that I used were already expanding significantly by the time they entered the chest cavity as shown by the copper fragments between the fat and the rib cage along with the 1” holes through the ribs.

I imagine a much more fragile bullet like the Berger’s or ELDMs would have an issue on this fat with high velocity impacts.

LOL, the fat acts as 'lubricant'...

It's a weird world out there...

Im afraid your intuition is correct - yes, bears are a high resistance target, similar in that regard to a hog.

I am so happy to have found this place, LRH is the only site I frequent. I have not used Facebook for about 10 years.

Thank you for posting the comment though - that guy has NO IDEA what he is talking about!!
 

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Very interesting results by LRHG. If a bullet tumbles in a media, it is, by definition, unstable in it. This is true regardless of whether the bullet expands, sheds petals, or remains intact and undeformed. When a bullet tumbles, a slow twist is the obvious first suspicion. Especially since a 214g all-copper bullet in .30 cal is a very long bullet.

However, LRHG assures us that the twist is within specs. But, without more than his word on twist rate, and, in light of all the successful Hammer bullet testing and testimonials, especially tests showing that an under-spun Hammer bullet does exactly what is seen in LRHG's test, a lot of people are going to question LRHG's test.

A couple of shots into ballistic jell is a good start, but hardly is the final word on the terminal performance of a hunting bullet. I hope LRHG does more testing and shares his results. Different bullet weights and a couple of other rifles, especially with a faster twist, would be helpful to make his case if he still wants to conclude that Hammer bullets have bad terminal ballistics.
 
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Per one of the earlier replies in the YouTube comments they do clarify that it was a 1-8 twist they used.

Now taking a step back and putting my initial emotional response to the video aside (definitely not impressed), they are running one of the longest 30cal hammers.

I seem to recall discussions over on hammer time talking about the idea that it could take a lot more stability (say 4+ SG) to stabilize the super long for caliber projectiles through media.

Edit: A much more interesting test would be to run one of the 160 or possibly 180 class 30 cal hammers to see what they do.
 

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Per one of the earlier replies in the YouTube comments they do clarify that it was a 1-8 twist they used.

Now taking a step back and putting my initial emotional response to the video aside (definitely not impressed), they are running one of the longest 30cal hammers.

I seem to recall discussions over on hammer time talking about the idea that it could take a lot more stability (say 4+ SG) to stabilize the super long for caliber projectiles through media.
this 214 in the 300WM will be slow, the 181 is a much better match to get the launch speed up.
 

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Ok, Thanks to all. I suspected it to be a stability issue with the long heavy bullet and still do. I like the hammer but I'm new to them in hunting and this is the first year with them. They shoot awesome with groups out of my 257ai, 7x57ai, 338RCM, all running well under an inch. Ill be using the 92 gr HH in 25 cal and 120 HH in 7mm, and 186 SH in 338. Plenty of spin on them. I did NOT want to go back to Barnes. Never a failure with them in any way but it is an availability issue. Thanks again
 

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Ok, Thanks to all. I suspected it to be a stability issue with the long heavy bullet and still do. I like the hammer but I'm new to them in hunting and this is the first year with them. They shoot awesome with groups out of my 257ai, 7x57ai, 338RCM, all running well under an inch. Ill be using the 92 gr HH in 25 cal and 120 HH in 7mm, and 186 SH in 338. Plenty of spin on them. I did NOT want to go back to Barnes. Never a failure with them in any way but it is an availability issue. Thanks again
You can hunt in confidence. 😎
 
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