500-800 yd elk rifle

Barkbuster20

Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
24
Location
Rainier, or
The few rc vangaurds I was looking at on gunbroker listed as 24 but then in the description said 25 so idk. Buying a RC 300 wby seems like the cheapest option to gaurentee a rifle accurate enough out to 800 yards. There is a stainless one on gunbroker nib for 693
 

bigngreen

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 24, 2008
Messages
8,280
Location
SW Montana
The 300 WBY wouldn't be my first choice in a factory form for a long range starter gun, it's rare to get true long range accuracy, not that it doesn't happen but the throating has to be perfect with the amount of free bore they have, the mag box restriction is painful too. MOA accuracy frankly isn't going to cut it, on paper it looks good enough but that means if YOU have to be a tenth MOA shooter to keep an MOA gun good, and that an MOA gun at 100 which is frankly easy to achieve but to keep an MOA gun MOA at long range not an easy task!!

Remember if your an MOA shooter with and MOA gun that's 2 MOA of possible error so at 800 yards your all over the side of one without wind or any other factors!!
 

Barkbuster20

Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
24
Location
Rainier, or
Seems like sub moa should be good enough accuracy to hit a kill zone on an elk at 800 yards.

Not sure what you mean by having to be a tenth moa shooter. I know 300 wby doesnt have a reputation as one of the most accurate cartridges but if it shoots moa at 100 it will be moa at 800 and do well with the wind.

If sub moa isnt enough for an 800 yard elk rifle I will probably just scratch the idea.
 

Barkbuster20

Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
24
Location
Rainier, or
I have a lot of ammo for my 338 am I just dont want to change the rifle most of what I hunt is timber and intermediate range - my scope is 3.5-10x40 and I dont want to put something heavier and bulky to make it more suited for 800 yards. I would like an 800 yard rifle for only the potential longer shot. Factory ammo isnt an issue I reload and have an ample supple of components
 

bdyal1972

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2012
Messages
281
Location
1700 miles from a REAL TREE!!!
Seems like sub moa should be good enough accuracy to hit a kill zone on an elk at 800 yards.

Not sure what you mean by having to be a tenth moa shooter. I know 300 wby doesnt have a reputation as one of the most accurate cartridges but if it shoots moa at 100 it will be moa at 800 and do well with the wind.

If sub moa isnt enough for an 800 yard elk rifle I will probably just scratch the idea.



Dude

If you can't shoot 1/2 moa on a BENCH at 100......


YOU HAVE 0 BUSINESS SHOOTING AT A GLORIOUS ELK AT 800 YARDS AS YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE SIMPLE MATH WORKS!!!

I WOULD SUGGEST A SHOOTING SCHOOL WITH BRIAN LITZ OF APLLIED BALLISTICS....

OR

MY AKITA - MY SONS - WILL SHAME YOU OUT IF THE WOODS FOR WOUNDING AN ELK AS THEY RECOVER IT AFTER YOU GO HOME!!!

1/2 MOA SHOOTER

1/2 MOA GUN

BAD WIND CALL

BAD ANGLE CALL

BAD SHOOTING POSITION

=

Bullet impact 16" off

GUTSHOT ELK AT 800

EVERY TIME!!!
 

Barkbuster20

Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
24
Location
Rainier, or
Not sure where your directing that or how it even relates to this discussion. Dont recall saying I couldnt shoot 1/2 moa at 100 yards - didnt say I could either.
I was looking for some advice and there have been a couple useful questions answered. Thanks guys.
 

memtb

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2013
Messages
1,351
Location
Winchester, Wy.
I have a lot of ammo for my 338 am I just dont want to change the rifle most of what I hunt is timber and intermediate range - my scope is 3.5-10x40 and I dont want to put something heavier and bulky to make it more suited for 800 yards. I would like an 800 yard rifle for only the potential longer shot. Factory ammo isnt an issue I reload and have an ample supple of components

I see nothing wrong with your .338 WM, especially with your 800 yard self-imposed range limit! My wife is using the same scope magnification range.....but, her self-imposed limit is 500 yards.

The following is a copy from a ballistics chart for my wife’s .338 WM. Granted these are hand loads, using a 300 yard zero, with approximate atmospheric conditions in the computation! I think you will see that it maintains acceptable trajectories, energy, velocities for expansion, and wind drift for an 800 yard cartridge!

Some may disagree with my chart, but, I think that it’s a fair representation of the cartridges capabilities!

As was once an expression used at amateur dirt track motorcycle racing.....”Run what you brung”! memtb


Drag Function: G1
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.514
Bullet Weight: 225 gr
Initial Velocity: 2950 fps
Sight Height : 1.5 in
Shooting Angle: 0°
Wind Speed: 10 mph
Wind Angle: 90°
Zero Range: 300 yd
Chart Range: 800 yd
Maximum Range: 7472 yd
Step Size: 25 yd
Corrected For Atmosphere
Adjusted BC: 0.642
Altitude: 7000 ft
Barometric Pressure: 29.92 Hg
Temperature: 40° F
Relative Humidity: 40%
Speed of Sound: 1096 fps

RangeElevationElevationElevationWindageWindageWindageTimeEnergyVel[x+y]
(yd)(in)(MOA)(MIL)(in)(MOA)(MIL)(s)(ft.lbf)(ft/s)
0-1.500.000.000.030.000.000.0043492950
250.17-0.66-0.190.060.220.070.0342392913
501.58-3.01-0.880.150.280.080.0541322876
752.72-3.46-1.010.290.370.110.0840282839
1003.60-3.43-1.000.500.470.140.1039262803
1254.20-3.20-0.930.760.580.170.1338252767
1504.51-2.87-0.831.090.690.200.1637272731
1754.53-2.47-0.721.480.810.230.1936322696
2004.25-2.03-0.591.930.920.270.2135382661
2253.67-1.56-0.452.451.040.300.2434462626
2502.77-1.06-0.313.041.160.340.2733552591
2751.55-0.54-0.163.691.280.370.3032672557
300-0.010.000.004.421.410.410.3331812523
325-1.900.560.165.211.530.450.3630962489
350-4.151.130.336.071.660.480.3930132456
375-6.761.720.507.011.790.520.4229322422
400-9.732.320.688.031.920.560.4528532389
425-13.092.940.869.112.050.600.4827752357
450-16.843.571.0410.282.180.630.5226992324
475-20.994.221.2311.532.320.670.5526252292
500-25.564.881.4212.852.450.710.5825522260
525-30.555.561.6214.262.590.750.6224802228
550-35.986.251.8215.752.730.800.6524112196
575-41.866.952.0217.332.880.840.6823422165
600-48.207.672.2319.003.020.880.7222762134
625-55.028.412.4420.763.170.920.7522112103
650-62.339.162.6622.603.320.970.7921472073
675-70.159.922.8924.553.471.010.8320852042
700-78.4910.713.1126.583.631.050.8620242012
725-87.3611.513.3528.723.781.100.9019641983
750-96.7912.323.5830.953.941.150.9419061953
775-106.7913.163.8333.294.101.190.9818501924
800-117.3714.014.0735.734.261.241.0217951895
 
Last edited:

Barkbuster20

Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
24
Location
Rainier, or
If I were to stick with .338 wm I think I would have to switch bullets - idk if a solid copper bullet would expand enough under 1800 fps. - out to 500 yards is no problem with my current scope and rifle. 500 yards is also my limit - iv never shot further.

What would be a minimum sized scope for 800 yards? Could I get away with using mildots or need turrets?
 

bdyal1972

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2012
Messages
281
Location
1700 miles from a REAL TREE!!!
If I were to stick with .338 wm I think I would have to switch bullets - idk if a solid copper bullet would expand enough under 1800 fps. - out to 500 yards is no problem with my current scope and rifle. 500 yards is also my limit - iv never shot further.

What would be a minimum sized scope for 800 yards? Could I get away with using mildots or need turrets?

Look at horus vision! 5-20x50 hovr 3 easy to use! Has a game you can practice with
 

Barkbuster20

Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
24
Location
Rainier, or
Also if going to a bullet with more reliable expansion im likely going to drop to a lower BC most of the sleek 338 bullets are for the big 338s. There could be some options with the 265 ablr
 

Primary

LRH Assistant
Here are some related products that LRH members are talking about. Clicking on a product will take you to LRH’s partner, Primary, where you can find links to LRH discussions about these products.

 
 
Top