Yikes +2.
HD lives on advertising and the chrisma of an 'American Icon'. Nothing more and a whole lot less.
The plant in York is nothing mord than a refurbished WW II armored vehicle plant with old technology to boot.
yesterday I looked at four RemLins at a local dealer, and I didn't even like they way the fit the parts up! Felt like they had sand inside them. I passed
gary
I needed to pick up some supplies and noticed a gun shop I hadn't been into. I noticed they had 5 or 6 new Marlin 45-70's to I asked to see one. The guy behind the counter grabbed one, then stopped and put it back and said "lets try another one". I asked what was wrong with the first one? He said "the rear sight fell off".
Anyway, it was slow so he showed me all of them. They weren't to bad, if you don't consider the rear sight falling off one "not to bad". Fit was decent. I could see some daylight between the stock and receiver (about .005" or a little more) but it wasn't bad. The action was O.K. They'll smooth out over time. The triggers on all of them were consistently decent. By decent, I mean none of them in any way emulated the "4-stage creep show act alike" that came on my MXLR. They all felt like they broke at 5 or 6 lbs with no creep. The satin finish was decent and consistent on all of them and the blueing was good. There were no obvious flaws such as barrel droop, misaligned sight, so on and on and on and on.
All in all, I wasn't appalled. Of course the window dressing means nothing if it doesn't shoot well. They didn't offer to let me do that.
Are they still automatically shipping shims with each rifle to level the scope for when they ship barrels & receivers that aren't in alignment?
I must be a lucky one then, I bought a 1895GBL .45-70 back in June, and I have had absolutely zero problems with mine. It cycles well, and it shoots my handloads good, although i have never put it on the rest to see how good, but I can get sub-MOA offhand at 75 with it.
Here is off hand at 120...
Those were Factory Winchester 300grs
I've got a 1968 336RC straight stocked model in 30/30 and looks like it is in excellent condition. It has had a box or two of factory loads through it and no failures.
With reloads there were lots of misfires. The CCI primers were the worst. I've been reloading for 53 years and never had a problem like this. One thing I learned was the rim thickness really varies on 30/30 brass. I have shot reloads in M94's without any problems.
Anyhow I tried all the remedies from Marlinowners.com including a new rear firing pin, spring, and main spring. They were out of the front pins. A little better strikes but still have misfires. The headspace is within specs. I guess a one piece pin is the only way to go, and I'm not sure that will work.
Send it to Remington, uh I don't think so.
Not really trying to change the sbuject, but as far as misfires there seem to be quite a few 336's no matter what the age that have had this problem.
From Gary......
"I think the York PA plant is purely an assembly plant, and also a weldment plant. Never been in that one, so what I say here is purely here say. Weldment areas tend to be dirty even when doing nothing but MIG and TIG."
I've been through the plant(s) as a supplier a couple times as well as a puplic visitor (non-production) as well as the Milwaukee plant a few times, the folks I worked for were invited to bid on materials supply. I still work for them but in a non sales supply capacity BTW. We weren't successful bidders, probably because of th quantities involvd. My employer is a big hitter tonnage wise.
It's been a while but the York plant when I was there was engaged in small part machining and assembly of certain models. Milwaukee did the engines and assembly as well. The machinery was old and well used IMO, but then, nothing about a Harley is cutting edge technology.
I heard they were having labor issues a while back but I guess thats been resolved. I think they are AF of LCIO, but I could be wrong. I know they aren't USWA