22 250 vs 243 advice.

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Hello guys as the heading above just looking some feedback. The purpose is for foxing.
Currently I am using a. 222 on foxes 40 grain. With the wind my problems seem to start. My maximum range will probably never go past 350-400yards on the land. Most of the foxes we hit are mainly between 100-200 but we spot the further. I am using a tikka varmint. 222 and it groups 1/2 @ 100 yards. I've tried it in the wind at targets and that's when my problems start beyond 100 looking at the groups they are not great. I mainly like the 222 because I can see the hits because of no recoil which helps. I also own a rem 700 in 308 for deer which is fine but its too much for foxing.
I've a few questions.
Which caliber should I go for I am looking at the 243 and 22 250. I have never fired either before. Do you believe these are a better choice for my needs?
1. Will I see the hits if I fit a surrpressor to either? Is there much muzzle flip?
2. How will these rounds perform in wind out as far as say 400 yards max on the ground we shot on?
3. I've read that both calibers can be sore on the barrel more so than my 222 and 308. What amount of shooting should be done before risk of overheating or damage?
4. Is there another heavier round I should look at for my 222 and would it make much difference against the wind?
5. Or is there another caliber I should maybe consider?
The rifle I was thinking of was a Sako laminated varmint if I do purchase. These questions are maybe basic but I am still only learning about all these calibers and any replys will be great help thanks.
 
Sako makes an excellent rifle. All of mine have been stellar. I was in your shoes about a year ago and went with a 22-250 shooting 52 grain Bergers 3850 FPS. Not too easy on the barrel but they do a number in coyotes and are more accurate than most people to 400 yards. Being a flat base bullet the wind does affect them more so than a VLD But if most shots average 1-250 yards and you OCCASIONALLY push to 400, I would strongly consider the 22-250 with a 50-60 grain class bullet.
 
Sako makes an excellent rifle. All of mine have been stellar. I was in your shoes about a year ago and went with a 22-250 shooting 52 grain Bergers 3850 FPS. Not too easy on the barrel but they do a number in coyotes and are more accurate than most people to 400 yards. Being a flat base bullet the wind does affect them more so than a VLD But if most shots average 1-250 yards and you OCCASIONALLY push to 400, I would strongly consider the 22-250 with a 50-60 grain class bullet.

OK thank you. I am shooting in Ireland and the problem is the fields are small that's why there is no big shots. With the 222 sometimes a follow up shot is needed and you don't have much time because they can get cover very quickly that's why i like the 222 because you can see the hits.
Will I be able to see the hits with a 22 250 if fitted a surrpressor incase a second shot is needed or if I miss?
 
Sako makes an excellent rifle. All of mine have been stellar. I was in your shoes about a year ago and went with a 22-250 shooting 52 grain Bergers 3850 FPS. Not too easy on the barrel but they do a number in coyotes and are more accurate than most people to 400 yards. Being a flat base bullet the wind does affect them more so than a VLD But if most shots average 1-250 yards and you OCCASIONALLY push to 400, I would strongly consider the 22-250 with a 50-60 grain class bullet.
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OK thank you. I am shooting in Ireland and the problem is the fields are small that's why there is no big shots. With the 222 sometimes a follow up shot is needed and you don't have much time because they can get cover very quickly that's why i like the 222 because you can see the hits.
Will I be able to see the hits with a 22 250 if fitted a surrpressor incase a second shot is needed or if I miss?
In a varmit weight gun I am supremely confident in your ability to spot hits without a suppressor. With one installed I think it'll be even better. My 22-250 scoped and all in under 8 pounds as we walk a lot hunting coyotes here. And I can spot my hits. I believe you'll be very happy with it
 
In a varmit weight gun I am supremely confident in your ability to spot hits without a suppressor. With one installed I think it'll be even better. My 22-250 scoped and all in under 8 pounds as we walk a lot hunting coyotes here. And I can spot my hits. I believe you'll be very happy with it
OK thanks that's good to know thank you.
 
In a varmit weight gun I am supremely confident in your ability to spot hits without a suppressor. With one installed I think it'll be even better. My 22-250 scoped and all in under 8 pounds as we walk a lot hunting coyotes here. And I can spot my hits. I believe you'll be very happy with it
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question but the different twist rates. Could you give me a quick run over the basics. Here's a picture of the rifle I was thinking of.
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The 243 win is better in the wind. Where the bullet impacts can be seen in the scope at about 200 yards or more. Really depends on the weight of the rifle, recoil. The gun needed to settle to see.

The Sierra #1530, 85 gr hpbt will show impack as far out as 800 yards. Hit or miss. IMR 4350 OR H4350 work well.

Wind drift. https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/ballistic-calculators/#!/
 
Sorry if this seems like a stupid question but the different twist rates. Could you give me a quick run over the basics. Here's a picture of the rifle I was thinking of. View attachment 211357
The 1:14 will limit your bullet choices to max out around 55 grains or so. Flat base bullets you might be able to get away with as heavy as 60s but that's really pushing it. The 243 will hurt your chances of seeing impacts and at 400 yards my load has 4.7" of wind drift ina. Full value 10mph wind. That is acceptable for a gun that's not normally shooting that far. You're killing foxes here not deer. The 243 is a shade over kill and will hurt your chances of seeing the impact...
 
If round count is a concern I would suggest a 6 BR or 6 GT will give you what you with great barrel life. But not common cartridges, and a little more work. But if you do you won't regret if you reload
 
Since you live in Ireland another option is the Schultz and Larsen rifles. Their Classic DL comes with either a walnut stock or synthetic stock with a choice of 56cm, 60cm or 65cm barrels all with a 1:10" twist rate for the 22-250. This twist rate would allow you to shoot up to at least the 69 grain Sierra TMK projectile.
The barrels are cut rifled and lapped plus the advantage of being a switch barrel system so you can change calibres if you wish to.
It appears that all barrels are available threaded ready for a moderator.
My wife and I have 5 Schultz and Larsen rifles between us and all of them shoot sub 1/2 MOA groups. I have shot hares at ranges beyond 450m with my Victory 22-250 and have been able to spot hits without a moderator.
Here is a link to the UK agents, http://www.greatdanerifles.com/index.html
 
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