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Hello all I originally posted this under suppressors but didn't get an answer. Will a suppressor negate enough recoil in a 28 Sherman to spot my own hits. I would like to build a 8-9lbs rifle loaded out.

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I tried my suppressor on my 9.2lb 6.5SS shooting 140's. The sound suppression, lack of dust blowing up, increased accuracy, along with the rearward muzzle blast being absent for a spotter were great attributes. But they were not enough for me to keep running it suppressed. I went back to my Terminator brake. Mostly because I could not spot my own shots unless I was loading the bi pod very hard. Also because the length added on to a 26" Bbl was to much for me. I do a lot of hunting alone and prefer to watch and see where the bullet hits the animal and how it reacts. The 280 Sherman will have more recoil so I would say it would be difficult to spot your own shots but depending on what can your using some will reduce recoil more than others but I doubt even the best designs would be enough. If you already have a suppressor have the barrel muzzle set up to run your can and a brake to see which you like best. On the other hand my suppressor goes great on shorter barrels in light recoiling cartridges.
 
Thank you so much. I was wondering about that. I bought the Sig 7.62 cans. As they are supposed to do great with sound and are FA and magnum rated. So far I've only shot them on 223 and they are great. I have a 6.5x55 at smith and when I get it back I will test it as its threaded. I also plan on running a 22 inch tube.
 
I agree with CA48. Most guns will be easier to shoot and spot hits with a brake. I have a couple of bullpup rifles that are better for me with a can. I can still spot hits at 800plus with the can. It's all about what you prefer and practice with.
 
I have a 338 Edge which has quite a bit of recoil. Always had a brake on it and it's manageable but seeing my hits was a challenge. When I put a suppressor on it the recoil was even less and I can usually spot my own hits. The suppressor I use is the Thunderbeast Ultra and it has its own brake that the suppressor mounts on. Same results with my 30-06 Ackley. I'm not familiar with the 28 Sherman but with the right setup a suppressor should work well for you.
 
I run a suppressor on just about everything. If you use a brake mount can, the brake actually does still offer some recoil reduction. I use the brake mount and direct thread with my Silencerco Omega. I can honestly say that the brake mount is both quieter and has less recoil. Is it a lot? NO. But you do notice it. You will run into length issues if you're running a 24"+barrel, but the benefits far outweigh the cons of length. I use a Silencerco Hybrid on my 11.5# 338RUM. If it's a longer shot, I can spot shots still.
 
I have two hunting rifles rifles that I think are comparable to what you are looking to build. One is a 7Saum shooting 180's at 2900fps. The other is a 300 WSM shooting 200's at 2825fps. Both weigh about 8 lbs all in with a Thunderbeast Ultra5. With the 7Saum I spot my hits/misses past 400 yds from a good solid prone position about 3/4ths of the time. With the 300 WSM that drops to about 1/4th of the time. There's just enough increase in recoil with the 300 WSM that spotting hits is a challenge for me. When I DO spot hits with the 300 WSM it's usually because I am able to move the optic after recoil back onto the target.

Of course position stability, stock fit, distance to target, and field of view of your scope will all have an important affect on your ability to spot hits/misses. But this is my experience with my Thunderbeast Ultra 5 and two rifles that sound similar to what you are considering..
 
I used a suppressed 7 Rem Mag that weighed about 8 lbs, on a rented gun in Africa. I could see the hits, even at 100 yards. Don't recall the make of the suppressor but it threaded onto the barrel with 2/3s of the suppressor back over the barrel, 1/3 ahead so it only lengthens the barrel by about 3 inches. It made the gun very quiet and it kicked less than a 223.
 
Thank you for all of you input I appreciate the knowledge and willingness to share. I will thread my 284 and try it. Which I'm thinking of barreling to 28 Sherman anyway so no loss just some threads. I have ran brakes on rifles and they are great. I just don't like caring hearing protection for hunting. I just want the both ends and the middle. lol Maybe I foresee a 6.5 Sherman instead.
 
I've only used cans on hunting guns in South Africa since there is no legal way to possess one in my state if you're not a manufacturer or government agency.

CMG Recoil Reaper can (not sure if available in the USA) on a hunting weight Howa 1500 in .338WM (about 9lbs with optic) running 250gn pills at full steam I was able to see impact sign on an eland at 300m but was not able to observe bullet trace due to recoil. I was only able to see it's side ripple slightly before it jumped. Relatively low recoil remained but still, it's a big bullet going pretty fast. The shot was fully proned out with good load on the bipod. I couldn't deal with the recoil of that thing unsuppressed. I'm a sissy that way.

Similarly, .300WSM with 180's running fast, Tikka T3 action, carbon fibre barrel, GRS chassis, US Optics scope + unknown brand suppressor. I saw the head of an impala detonate at about 75m and then was looking more or less at sky. That shot was taken from bags on a padded rack on a land cruiser. I was, however, able to watch the bullet trace as a 180gn .30 cal pill sailed just over the back of another impala at 300m (lesson: check your turret settings before shooting). That shot was taken proned out against a 2' tall berm with bags supporting the front end and my fist for rear support. The gun was reportedly unshootably hard kicking without the can on it. I never tried shooting it unsuppressed because, as stated, I'm a sissy about recoil.

In any event, all of those shots were greatly aided in terms of shot spotting from behind the gun by the presence of a can but my position, a natural point of aim and the distance to the target were equally major factors in being able to spot trace and impact.
 
hunter67wa said:
Thank you for all of you input I appreciate the knowledge and willingness to share. I will thread my 284 and try it. Which I'm thinking of barreling to 28 Sherman anyway so no loss just some threads. I have ran brakes on rifles and they are great. I just don't like caring hearing protection for hunting. I just want the both ends and the middle. lol Maybe I foresee a 6.5 Sherman instead.
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With or without suppressors, brakes, or running the muzzle naked you should always have ear protection handy and use it whenever you can.

When you get to my age you'll understand why. I've had tinnitus for more than 30 years now and am finally to the point that I can't understand conversations anymore unless the speaker is facing me so that I can pretty well lip read at the time.

We flat didn't pay anywhere near close enough attention to eye and ear protection until fairly recently and it's cost millions of us our hearing and quite a few serious eye damage as well.
 
BallisticsGuy said:
I've only used cans on hunting guns in South Africa since there is no legal way to possess one in my state if you're not a manufacturer or government agency.

CMG Recoil Reaper can (not sure if available in the USA) on a hunting weight Howa 1500 in .338WM (about 9lbs with optic) running 250gn pills at full steam I was able to see impact sign on an eland at 300m but was not able to observe bullet trace due to recoil. I was only able to see it's side ripple slightly before it jumped. Relatively low recoil remained but still, it's a big bullet going pretty fast. The shot was fully proned out with good load on the bipod. I couldn't deal with the recoil of that thing unsuppressed. I'm a sissy that way.

Similarly, .300WSM with 180's running fast, Tikka T3 action, carbon fibre barrel, GRS chassis, US Optics scope + unknown brand suppressor. I saw the head of an impala detonate at about 75m and then was looking more or less at sky. That shot was taken from bags on a padded rack on a land cruiser. I was, however, able to watch the bullet trace as a 180gn .30 cal pill sailed just over the back of another impala at 300m (lesson: check your turret settings before shooting). That shot was taken proned out against a 2' tall berm with bags supporting the front end and my fist for rear support. The gun was reportedly unshootably hard kicking without the can on it. I never tried shooting it unsuppressed because, as stated, I'm a sissy about recoil.

In any event, all of those shots were greatly aided in terms of shot spotting from behind the gun by the presence of a can but my position, a natural point of aim and the distance to the target were equally major factors in being able to spot trace and impact.
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Kind of strange. In S. Africa guns are extremely tightly regulated, controlled, an difficult to get a license for. Suppressors though are not regulated at all and are dirt cheap.

In the US we get completely anal about suppressors but have very limited restrictions on firearms thankfully.

Good suppressors can be bought so cheaply in the RSA it's well worth it to by one and leave it there for return trips as long as you have someone you can trust to keep it for you.
 
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