Explain the need for a 28 Nosler

[J E Custom]

Always interested In new cartridges and there benefit to the shooting world.

I would like a debate or a good explanation for the need or advantage of this cartridge over what we already have.
Please keep it civil and educational. I have seen and heard some say it is the top performer for 7 mm. Opinions welcomed.

The closets factory rivals to it are the 7 STW and the 7 mm RUM.

Thanks
J E CUSTOM

 

[sedancowboy]

JE
I personally think it is the best of the 3 mentioned. I have owned a 7 STW and to properly shoot the long high BC bullets that we use now the 7 STW and the 7 RUM would require a loooong Magazine. If you have a 7 STW length action, mine is a Model 70, the 28 Nosler with long bullets fits properly. All the RUMS suffer from bullets seated too deep to fit in normal actions we have today. Rhian built my rifle and I could not be happier. All three are over bore and therefore hard on throats but that goes with the territory. When you go for speed you pay a price.
So to answer your questions it fits in a magazine easier, It is easy to load for and shoots the 175-195 class of bullets well. I would not go back to the 7 STW now that I have a 28 Nosler.
I think we view cartridges differently now that we have great ballistic calculators and rangefinders and scopes that dial accurately. Before we wanted light and fast bullets to flatten the trajectory for the so called flat shooting cartridges. Now that is not nearly as important as in the past. So our cartridges have evolved to shoot the heavy high BC bullets of today and the 28 Nosler does just that.

 

[Hunterjones]

Hey!! That's a SUPER QUESTION!!! I also wonder the same thing.....after finding a "Knockout" load for my first one, (160 Accubonds at just shy of 3300 FPS), I decide WTH & bought another that I plan to shop "heavies" in...
Is there a "need" for this cartridge??? I honestly don't think so.....is it a fun round to tinker around with and look for FAST, accurate loads??? ABSOLUTELY!!!!
After all, a good "OLD" 30-06 stoked with some of today's premium 168-180 grain bullets will probably cover 90% of the hunting here in the Good Old USA still today!!!!

 

[Hunterjones]

JE
I personally think it is the best of the 3 mentioned. I have owned a 7 STW and to properly shoot the long high BC bullets that we use now the 7 STW and the 7 RUM would require a loooong Magazine. If you have a 7 STW length action, mine is a Model 70, the 28 Nosler with long bullets fits properly. All the RUMS suffer from bullets seated too deep to fit in normal actions we have today. Rhian built my rifle and I could not be happier. All three are over bore and therefore hard on throats but that goes with the territory. When you go for speed you pay a price.
So to answer your questions it fits in a magazine easier, It is easy to load for and shoots the 175-195 class of bullets well. I would not go back to the 7 STW now that I have a 28 Nosler.
I think we view cartridges differently now that we have great ballistic calculators and rangefinders and scopes that dial accurately. Before we wanted light and fast bullets to flatten the trajectory for the so called flat shooting cartridges. Now that is not nearly as important as in the past. So our cartridges have evolved to shoot the heavy high BC bullets of today and the 28 Nosler does just that.

I also agree with your post about action length and LONG BULLETS. This cartridge makes it much easier to seat longer, heavier bullets long in a magnum length action than either the
Super Long 7STW or 7RUM

 

[Wysongdog]

Great question. Don't have a very good answer .. because I wanted one lol. And mine shoots really well and kills very well. But my 300 wsm does as well lol.

 

[Kmccord]

I have a 28 and 7 Rem Mag, I wanted the HP to launch the 195gr and 180gr. It picked up where the 7mm Rem Mag left off, I purchased it with the plan to use it Elk hunting, Moose Hunting and whatever else in the Western States to hunt.

 

[L.Sherm]

A 4" wyatts box and 700 action will work fine for a Rum or Stw with heavies.

 

[GLTaylor]

i have a 7 RUM with an HS Precision mag. It's a touch short with heavies seated way out

 

[L.Sherm]

I'm pretty sure to run the 28 Nosler 195 seated at or just past the neck shoulder- boatail bearing surface junction you will be longer than 3.7

 

[P7M13]

When the barrel on my 7mag was near end of life, I looked at the same question.
Basically, I wanted to launch 180 grain bullets @ 3000 FPS.
Ultimately built a rifle based on Gunwerk's 7mm Long Range Magnum.

I considered 28 Nosler, 7STW and 7 LRM. Wasn't interested in a RUM. Had a 300 RUM Rem 700 that I was going to use as the donor action.
No to the STW because, personally, I don't like belted cases.
The 28 was still new at the time. I like the 404 Jeffrey case / 300 RUM and also use them in my 338 Edge.
Following a board suggestion, read an article about Gunwerks 7mm Long Range Magnum. It holds about 12 grains less powder, and for the same bullet is 200FPS slower. I'm not in a ****ing contest for fastest 7mm slug, and that extra 12 grains of powder makes a world of difference in barrel life. Funny, there has never been a lack of brass available for 375 Ruger, the parent case for the 7LRM. Plus, you can buy already made and headstamped brass from Gunwerks. JMO, advantages to the Gunwerks 7LRM over the 28 Nosler: Longer neck in the finished case, allowing to seat long heavies out farther with confidence; Same magazine space (300 RUM) but allows longer seating; very manageable recoil for the performance offered; some barrel makers will chamber for it; and easy source for my own brass. Disadvantage: it's a wildcat.
While I love what I see in their rifles, I cannot justify a Gunwerks rig. I like a challenge, so started a build. Finished weight, I targeted for 10 lbs. I tried to avoid all the mistakes I made with my 338 Edge build, and though well balanced, it's still too heavy at 12lbs finished. Had I selected a lighter barrel profile and a different chassis I'd be below 10 lbs. With a MB&M brake on it, it recoils like a 308 or lighter. Without, less than a 7Mag, more like an '06.
I run it with a Leupold Mark 4 LRT. It's a joy to shoot. Pick and range a target, adjust the dials, Hit!
The process was a great learning experience. Forming my own brass from 375 Ruger cases taught me a lot. I have both Gunwerks and my own brass. I also discovered my distaste for Hornady dies in the process. They work, they are quality, but I find I do prefer others and will spend more for them.

 

[J E Custom]

Another question.
Even though speed is not the only criteria for long range hunting, it is important and cartridges that handle the biggest bullets seem to have an advantage for this sport. Magazine length has never been a problem for me and in my opinion a 4" mag will do anything I want.

I have owned about every factory 7 mm known to man and many wildcats. except the 28 Nosler
and was just wondering what reasonable velocities I could expect from the 28 using 195 grain bullets ?

J E CUSTOM

 

[Kmccord]

Another question.
Even though speed is not the only criteria for long range hunting, it is important and cartridges that handle the biggest bullets seem to have an advantage for this sport. Magazine length has never been a problem for me and in my opinion a 4" mag will do anything I want.

I have owned about every factory 7 mm known to man and many wildcats. except the 28 Nosler
and was just wondering what reasonable velocities I could expect from the 28 using 195 grain bullets ?

J E CUSTOM

I think that will depend on your freebore, I have read Ryan Pierce reamer seem to clock the 195 at 3100+ without pressure using N570 and RL33. In my 28 I can reach 3040 on the safe side with RL33, I could never find N570 available to try. I think your barrel will be toast faster at those high speeds, but for hunting, probably last a long while.

 

[Ranger Rick]

Always interested In new cartridges and there benefit to the shooting world.

I would like a debate or a good explanation for the need or advantage of this cartridge over what we already have.
Please keep it civil and educational. I have seen and heard some say it is the top performer for 7 mm. Opinions welcomed.

The closets factory rivals to it are the 7 STW and the 7 mm RUM.

Thanks
J E CUSTOM

Always interested In new cartridges and there benefit to the shooting world.

I would like a debate or a good explanation for the need or advantage of this cartridge over what we already have.
Please keep it civil and educational. I have seen and heard some say it is the top performer for 7 mm. Opinions welcomed.

The closets factory rivals to it are the 7 STW and the 7 mm RUM.

Thanks
J E CUSTOM

Thank you Jerry for starting off a good debate and this discussion on the right foot. RR

 

[J E Custom]

I totally agree about the freebore, and it's effect on velocity and pressure. The only comparison that
is an apples to apples comparison would be with SAMMI chambers as the designer of the cartridge set all dimensions. so I was looking for the velocity in a SAMMI chamber as you would find ammo off the shelf but could still load for. Also at SAMMI pressures.

Just trying to place this cartridge where it belongs in the 7 mm line.

J E CUSTOM