Why Doesn't Berger make a Bonded Bullet??

[bigngreen]

So your saying a berger will out penetrate a barnes mono bullet. Barnes might have issues with their bullets( not a fan) but lack of penetration is usually not an issue.

If the diameter of the mushroom and the hit is hard enough you can run out of momentum to have the bullet get through, it's simple physics, if you hit them close and fast enough you shear the petals of and then your resistance is less and you penetration goes up. Hammers penetrate in a straight line like crazy because of this, cup and core IF larger enough that they can waste some front do the same thing as they will gets smaller in front and keep penetrating IF they have the mass behind them.
I have stuck mono's in steel plates Berger were blowing through same reason!

 

[bigngreen]

bigngreen....you obviously think Bergers are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and you are entitled to reason that way
But those of us who have put in the thousands of hours in the woods know that Bergers aren't the be-all, end-all that some small percentage of shooters/hunters think they are. Personally, I would sooner give up a bit of BC and have a Partition up the spout on any shot up to 500 yards or so. I know what to expect with them. Dave

I know what I get from performance from a bullet because I'll take the time and test anything, I've tested bullets for multiple manufactures and each has strengths, the way we use a Berger they have been game changers based on opening many animals and actually looking at the wounds. I'm just as huge a fan of the Hammers, because they deliver and they perform on game not marketed based on jello shots or shooting into a vat of water like Barnes, on game performance is all that matters.
You know you on a forum where a Partition will be below it's consistent function velocity where we are shooting on average! If I was shooting elk at 50 yards with a 338 Win I'd be using them too but that's simply not the case.

 

[BigSky112]

For target/comp Berger is for sure close to or at the top of the list. But can't agree they are the "best" hunting bullet. As it was stated earlier in in post " are we talking about the same company that produces bullets that members have to manually clear the tips out with small diameter drill bits before they hunt with them?" Depending on the game you are chasing, Berger is closer to the bottom of the list an at the top.

 

[Overkill338]

I will admit that for MYSELF, the only reason that I DID NOT choose Berger as a hunting bullet is because they aren't bonded. I am not posting this to start a debate on bonded vs non-bonded bullets, only on the reason why Berger hasn't done so.

I know that many or even most of you here a big proponents for Berger but like I said that for myself I want a bonded bullet. That's the only reason I'm using Accubond LR's.

In my 7mm Rem Mag I am using 175gr ABLR's

Well, I believe Berger was just target bullets from the start. Then some person shot a game animal with one, and it dropped in its tracks. So Berger in turn said "oh yeah, we knew that would happen, it's a hybrid hunting bullet. We meant for it to do that!" . Then more and more people kept buying them, and kept shooting game with these oversized Varmint bullets. That's the story

Me personally, I prefer the AB or Partition. I'm trying the TTSX this year. I just can't put my Hope's behind a bullet that blows apart. They do shoot phenomenally well!

 

[memtb]

So I take that as a no! I have recovered several elk shot in the shoulder with 180 and 200 Accubonds and the bullet only broke the shoulder with zero penetration at close range, I've had Barnes turn on elk shoulders and just flat stop too, I have not had a heavy for cal Berger stopped BUT I would expect some day I could make one do it if I took that shot enough. I took me 5 days to get one of those accubond elk dead, the meat was not salvageable at that point it was one of the issues that made me look for a better bullet for me and my shooting!

The next time you try a Barnes, Pump that Benjamin a few more times! memtb

 

[bigngreen]

The next time you try a Barnes, Pump that Benjamin a few more times! memtb

Most issues were seen with a 300 WBY, maybe I should have used a 300 RUM and Barnes to come close to the killing ability of my 6.5 SS with Bergers on elk!!

 

[Deleted member 107796]

bigngreen....you obviously think Bergers are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and you are entitled to reason that way
But those of us who have put in the thousands of hours in the woods know that Bergers aren't the be-all, end-all that some small percentage of shooters/hunters think they are. Personally, I would sooner give up a bit of BC and have a Partition up the spout on any shot up to 500 yards or so. I know what to expect with them. Dave

Huh? That "those of us who have put in the thousands of hours in the woods know..." thing is revealing. Don't single out BnG… there are many that find the accuracy and killing power of Bergers as excellent. Have you killed an elk with one, like the VLD? I have, with a shot right thru the shoulder. Gelled the lungs which is what I would predict the African zebra scenario would be, and killed effectively. We can talk all day long about what we think a suitable wound channel is, and IMO most modern bullet offerings excel, but you simply cannot discount hydrostatic shock. Those of us that have killed with Bergers, know they kill.

 

[Double BC]

I have wondered about a similar question as well. Not just about Berger, but really any of the ultra-high BC bullet makers. For example the Hornady ELDx line... Why not make make them bonded? Or why not make a ultra high BC bullet designed after the partition? I bet people would pay a huge premium for bullets like this if they shot as well as the Berger Hybrids, or Hornady ELDx's and were bonded or had a partition.

Yes this, fully fraginable non bonded front and partitioned or solid rear.

 

[del2les]

Nothing like gong straight to the source to remove all speculation, so I have placed an email to Berger with this very question and if they have any plans for the future. Informed they would give me a formal answer shortly.

 

[Ingwe]

Well, I believe Berger was just target bullets from the start. Then some person shot a game animal with one, and it dropped in its tracks. So Berger in turn said "oh yeah, we knew that would happen, it's a hybrid hunting bullet. We meant for it to do that!" . Then more and more people kept buying them, and kept shooting game with these oversized Varmint bullets. That's the story

Me personally, I prefer the AB or Partition. I'm trying the TTSX this year. I just can't put my Hope's behind a bullet that blows apart. They do shoot phenomenally well!

That's EXACTLY how I look at Berger's too

 

[Far North Hunter]

I will admit that for MYSELF, the only reason that I DID NOT choose Berger as a hunting bullet is because they aren't bonded. I am not posting this to start a debate on bonded vs non-bonded bullets, only on the reason why Berger hasn't done so.

I know that many or even most of you here a big proponents for Berger but like I said that for myself I want a bonded bullet. That's the only reason I'm using Accubond LR's.

In my 7mm Rem Mag I am using 175gr ABLR's

 

[Ingwe]

I'll see if I have a pic of one! My experience with the ALRB is a blown of front shoulder and having to weight down an animal to get it dead, Accubombs is what they are from what I've seen!!

You call the Accubond an Accubomb AND swear by Berger's....am I reading that right

Here's a pic of the 175gr ABLR from that Zebra I talked about earlier, which broke a shoulder, 2 lungs and recovered under hide on off side. 77gr retained weight. What do you think would be left of your 175gr Berger with a similar shot?

 

[Ingwe]

So your saying a berger will out penetrate a barnes mono bullet. Barnes might have issues with their bullets( not a fan) but lack of penetration is usually not an issue.

YES the Berger can easily out penetrate the Barnes mono bullet or any other mono bullet, yet it will not blow up on a 20 yard Moose hit in the shoulder...it will shatter the shoulder, penetrate the heart lungs, and after expending all of it's energy it will simply fall out of the exit hole in a perfect mushroom so that you can pick it up and keep it as a souvenir. It is also more accurate than any other bullet made, has the highest BC of any other and bullet, is easier to work up a load for than any other bullet.....and it is endorsed by Bryan Litz for God Sake!

Didn't you know all that?

 

[Eagleye242]

I have not personally shot an Elk with a Berger, and never will. I was along on a Grizzly hunt where 4 heavy for caliber Bergers failed to anchor a medium size bear. He was finally put down for the count with a 220 grain A-Frame from an 8mm Rem Mag. I have that bullet in my collection. Not one piece of those Bergers was much bigger than a pinhead. The Swift still weighs 172 grains. Dave.