Remington 700 throat to long

[YZ-80]

Remington is in desperate need of better quality control. I just bought the rifle and now I'm already looking for a replacement barrel.

This is really sad. I've had a couple of 700's that I really liked over the years but I won't even consider them now. Darned shame. Gone are the days when stuff made sense and build quality carried the day. All sacrificed on the altar of loss control and limited liability. We've sacrificed a lot trying to idiot-proof the world and we've only begun to pay the price.

 

[planetwaves]

I bought a 700 SPS in 270 win a couple of years ago. I load Nosler BTs at OAL 3.465" which puts the bullet 0.005 off the lands. Bullet is seated plenty deep. No problem, shoots great. But I'll be careful in the future after reading this blog.

 

[shortgrass]

All sacrificed on the altar of loss control and limited liability. We've sacrificed a lot trying to idiot-proof the world and we've only begun to pay the price.

Yes, but it's the price that must be paid if you're Rem/Win/Savage/etc. You can't buy a 'factory' rifle and expect custom results. Remington (or any of the others) can use reamers of any ilk they like. SAAMI spec body and neck, long freebore and lead. Too many don't understand the possible consequences of hot rodding their reloads. They start at the top of the loading info instead of at the bottom and work their way up to an accurate load with good velocity. It happens every day. Velocity isn't everything, but some will never understand that. So, factory rifles have a "fail safe" built in for those who think they can load dynamite. I think the only 'factory' rifles I own anymore are the collectible/semi collectibles that reside in the gun safe.

 

[keithcandler]

unfortunately, .199 FB is on the ragged edge of mag length in a BDL magazine or a tad off the lands.

I used a reamer with .123 freebore on my personal gun.

 

[YZ-80]

Too many don't understand the possible consequences of hot rodding their reloads. They start at the top of the loading info instead of at the bottom and work their way up to an accurate load with good velocity. It happens every day.

Agreed.

 

[shortgrass]

Agreed.

Too many have the attitude that if it's in the loading manual, it's OK in their rifle. It was OK in the rifle the data was developed in, but each barrel is an individual. Some are faster than others. There are lots of new shooters, many who want to be the next long range 'hero' to their buddies and to have something to boast about on the web. Shooting ability, load development take time and money, as does the equipment to achieve precision, long range or other wise. We live in a world of instant gratification. A few will take the time to develop the skills, work up loads and spend the 'extra' cash for the best equipment they can afford. Most others won't. So, the 'factory' firearms makers have to build added 'safety' into their offerings (like long throats), and still keep their offerings affordable to sell "X" number of units. That is how they stay in business, by making a profit,,,,, and that includes not paying lawyers and awards granted by a court for those unwilling to take the long road. I've met people who can't change a flat, let alone not change the oil and filter, or know where to put the oil in, or change the spark plugs. America is different place than it was 50yrs ago when guys grew up learning to do these things.

 

[SteveBurton]

I bought a 700 SPS in 6.5CM and had the same issue. When loading for the ELD-X, my COAL with the bullet touching the lands was 2.885. I had a local gunsmith install a Wyatts mag box and then found out my rifle likes the ELD-X 0.060 off the lands. I probably could have just squeaked by without the mag box but I feel better with it in there.
No factory ammo shot worth a darn out of the rifle. Was probably tired out before it even hit the lands. If I didn't reload it would have been traded in quickly.

 

[keithcandler]

Many people have no understanding of freebore, rifle cleaning, and especially how to measure Oal with an ogive gauge. They don't bed their rifles and come on sites like this and want help. Furthermore, they want a quick fix, with little involvement. Short grass said it all, instant gratification where they can shoot like the guys on TV.

Family and work demands are perhaps worse now than they were in the 60's.

 

[MagnumManiac]

I find it rather amusing that so many people assume a long throat is somehow going to induce poor accuracy.
A good many rifles shoot itty bitty groups with jumps of more than .250" and even more.
It's laughable that so many measure the throat, find it long and throw their arms in the air, howl at the moon, but fail to SHOOT the rifle or experiment.
I built my 375 Weatherby, 340 Weatherby and 300 Weatherby with the original .500" of freebore, all 3 shoot ragged hole groups with TUNED ammo.
Take the time to experiment at MAGAZINE LENGTH, then complain if it DOESN'T WORK.
There is no MAGICAL ONE DISTANCE FROM THE RIFLING that works in EVERY gun, or with EVERY BULLET.

Cheers.

 

[bigngreen]

No Weatherby has a .500 throat!

 

[MOOSE39465]

I find it rather amusing that so many people assume a long throat is somehow going to induce poor accuracy.
A good many rifles shoot itty bitty groups with jumps of more than .250" and even more.
It's laughable that so many measure the throat, find it long and throw their arms in the air, howl at the moon, but fail to SHOOT the rifle or experiment.
I built my 375 Weatherby, 340 Weatherby and 300 Weatherby with the original .500" of freebore, all 3 shoot ragged hole groups with TUNED ammo.
Take the time to experiment at MAGAZINE LENGTH, then complain if it DOESN'T WORK.
There is no MAGICAL ONE DISTANCE FROM THE RIFLING that works in EVERY gun, or with EVERY BULLET.

Cheers.

So you think I just bought the right and started complaining without shooting the rifle? I been doing load development with **** poor result. I'm glad that you are amused now troll somewhere else.

 

[keithcandler]

Magnum, those large caliber are very accurate and bullets are less prone to get started crooked.

Smaller needle type bullets are not so lucky in their throat geometry/COaL/magazine lattitudes, especially the short action cases.

 

[MagnumManiac]

So you think I just bought the right and started complaining without shooting the rifle? I been doing load development with ---- poor result. I'm glad that you are amused now troll somewhere else.

Troll you say?
Sounds like you know little about HOW the throat/leade works.

Again, a long throat has NO BEARING on POOR ACCURACY.
Still amused you blame the throat length.
Bullet, and or powder choice are more a determining factor on POOR ACCURACY.

Cheers.

 

[MagnumManiac]

No Weatherby has a .500 throat!

Really????
Obviously you know very little about them.
Originally, those designed by Roy himself had exactly this length, the 378 Weatherby when first designed had .750" throat length. Parallel sided .0005" larger than bullet OD.

So sir, you are completely incorrect.

Cheers.