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Discussion in 'Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)' started by coyotelite, Mar 2, 2014.
338 edge, excaliber, lapua improved, or edge+p for best ELR rifle and why one over the other?
Based on the data provided on the cartridge designer's sites, the Viersco .338 SnipeTac slightly out distances the .338 Allen Magnum in the distance before the projectile goes subsonic - see http://www.elr-resources.com/ELR Cartridges Matrix 12252013.xls
To outdo those you'll need to step up to .375 caliber.
Best for Elr is a little vague, can you give some more insight what your looking for in a chambering. But IMO I'd say 338 lapua imp for all around use LR target shooting to LR big game hunting. That and in a pinch you can run factory ammo through it.
It depends on what you are going for.
VELOCITY= slowest to fastest = 338 Win Mag, 338 RUM and 338 Lapua, 338 edge, 338 +p, 338/378
Weatherby, and the 338 Excalibur.
Best brass life= Lapua
Cheapest brass= 338 Win Mag
Most expensive brass= Excalibur.
All of these have available dies and brass is sometimes limited to one or two brands.
Range= will depend on what you intend to shoot and how far.
Wildcats are in a different group and may be harder/more expensive to build/shoot.
Unless you intend to shoot over 1500 yards all will do the job.
Just my opinion
J E CUSTOM
Anyone can claim a longer maximum distance of supersonic flight by increasing said velocity!
What is not understood by many, is that there is an accuracy node that is below what is commonly published in these configurations. That "realistic" velocity is not only the accuracy node, but will allow more than one firing per case.
I know you only publish what is given to you Oscar, but a considerable amount of additional research is needed by the consumer before conclusions should be made. It's the responsibility of the consumer...
Part of the question depends upon the action and bolt face that you have. The Edge and Edge variants use a standard long action, while the 338 and its variants use a 338 size action.
You didn't mention anything based upon the 408 CheyTac, but they are even bigger and send pills faster than the ones you mentioned, specifically the 338/408 and the similar magnum from Kirby Allen, and the ones made by Blackdiamond... the 338 and 375 Viersco magnum.
I have seen several edge's that shoot lights out at distance beyond 1,900 yards, but its a different game when busting rocks or hitting steel versus trying to take game at such distances. What are your intended uses for the rifle?
ELR as defined by myself, for me, is 1500 yards and beyond.
Why that distance? I hunt/shoot ELR from a hide. My definition of a hide is a nice comfy spot with great terrain, comfortable prone shooting spot with great all around visibility. Most importantly located near elk habitat.
In other words, the hide is pretty much like my basement floor for solid shooting position. I hunt/shoot from these hides year round. I know what I'm doing there. I'm accustomed to the wind at various times of the year.
Having said all that, caliber/cartridge is not as important as being able to confidently place the shot. It's all about consistent accuracy, bc, time of flight, impact velocity/energy and bullet terminal performance.
It goes without saying that as distance increases the heavier the bullet the better. The 338 caliber in a Berger 300 grain offering, in my estimation is minimum for ELR.
Cartridge wise, I feel the 338 RUM is a bit on the small side. Too much time of flight and too high mid range trajectory. The Lapua and Edge is only a bit better. The Terminator, as in Broz's rig, is solidly in the great choice area. The really big ones, 408 based top that. However, bulk, shoot ability and portability come into play with those big heavy suckers as I can attest from messing with ma "Big Girl".
As JE says "Unless you intend to shoot over 1500 yards all will do the job." I'll add "if you can reliably place your shot."
Oh, and ELR shooting has more to do with the shooter than the rig being shot. That is assuming all rigs are created equal.
My intended use would be steel and other objects to 1500-2000yds but shots on game to 1500 when I'm capable. I shoot 800+ now with a factory rifle in 300wby. I will say that availability of reloading supplies and life of brass is a factor too.
So one of the ladder chamberings. Kirby Allen has the 338 raptor that was based on the Excalibur parent case but his has some revisions. It splits the difference from lapua to Cheytac right down the middle. So there is that or going with the Excalibur.
Is there much data out on the .338 excalibur? looked all over google not much to be found? i am interested in it if i could find more data. like mv with 300 bergers. barrel life? other info? thanks all
Found that Kirby got a little over 3200fps with a 300gr Berger out of a 29" barrel from his raptor which was originally based on the Excalibur case. But if it's to much of a pita a 338 lapua improved might be what you're looking for.
The excalibur is hard to get brass for and is pretty much going to Jaminson when you do find it.
If you are wanting to ring steel at 1500+ yards.. Just get a .338-408 imp...(whatever variant you wish to get ie: Snipe-tac, Allen mag, Halo, Big Baer,Xtreme... Basically will all do the same thing) and be done with it!
Brass (good brass) is available from most of the people that chamber it.. ie: Kirby or Russo
Shoot 300gr pills...
It's hard to argue with the proven track record of that combo...gun)
I can easily get 3100 with the 300 Bergers in my 338 Lapua IMP. I slowed them down to to 2993 and shoot the Elites. The Lapua brass is really tough and lasts a long time with annealing. I am shooting Re 33 and it shoots 5 shots in 4 to 4 1/2 inches at 1000. Matt
What length of barrel is on that thing? 40 deg shoulder? or just less body taper?