Some guys I just don't get?
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It is very aggravating when someone badmouths your product. I have had people do that to my business, but they never come through the front door. You just can't please everyone.
You're going to work to better a one hole group? That's serious OCD. Just joking. try for.119
I've been a Hammer fan to the point of being obnoxious. I've also loaded about a dozen other peoples rifles using them. I've yet to have any difficulty finding a "very" good load. Usually I tell them what powder to buy when they bring their components. Having the right powder makes everything else easy.
FrogFire7
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Well... Your word of mouth reviews must be working. I would have stopped WAAAY before $900 if I found bullets my gun didn't like. Must be he keeps hearing how about how awesome they are and can't help himself 
I wouldn't think too much into it. Unless I had some strong drive to shoot your bullets or had exhausted all my other options I wouldn't take you up on the offer. I've been happy with Hammers in some of my guns, but there's other companies that produce fantastic bullets too. If someone else's bullets provide the performance I want I'm not going to go out of my way to make your bullets work. That's especially true if it would involve shipping my gun. It's not a particularly high risk thing to do, but it's not a risk I'll take without a good reason. I also wouldn't accept an offer like that with the stipulation that I don't share the whole story with others.
Some bullets just don't shoot in some guns. Without seeing the other user's posts it's hard to say whether they're badmouthing your company or just sharing their honest experience with your product. Considering it sounds like they shoot a lot of your bullets I'm inclined to assume it's the latter.
Some bullets just don't shoot in some guns. Without seeing the other user's posts it's hard to say whether they're badmouthing your company or just sharing their honest experience with your product. Considering it sounds like they shoot a lot of your bullets I'm inclined to assume it's the latter.
I am definitely guilty of serious ocd, according to my wife at least…… I probably would leave that load alone if it wasn't so mild. That rifle runs the 135 badlands at 3217 and this mild load with the 129 absolutes was only running 3082. I want to see how fast they are when I hit pressure. Hopefully find a node around 3300 or a little faster!!
RockyMtnMT
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My only stipulation was that he must share the results.
I do understand why you wouldn't want the whole experience shared, but I'm wouldn't accept an offer like that. If I can't share the good, bad, and ugly with others I'm not interested.
RockyMtnMT
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When I sent him the note I did not want to create an expectation that Hammer Bullets would be taking on load development for anyone that has had trouble. We simply could not afford to do so, let alone have the time. We stopped doing custom load development a couple of years ago because we just could not get them done in a timely manner. That was for paying customers, let alone doing it on our dime. This guy had been making the point on many occasions, to publicly point out that Hammers don't shoot well, and insinuating that it was only because of the bullets and nothing to do with his equipment or process.
He has now declined the offer because I am just mean. He was considering the offer, until now, but just forgot about it. I guess. The offer still stands. It would now be documented publicly by me and if I can't get it to shoot, I would say so. I just wanted to keep it on the down low that we would be covering all the expenses.
Ucsdryder
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Why would he be interested in that? Your bullets didn't shoot in his rifle, he wasn't happy with them or you. Hes moved on. Why would he want to send his rifle to you so you can put more rounds down range and POSSIBLY find a load that works. If he's moved to a better round then he's just allowing you to burn up his barrel a little more for a bullet he doesn't want to shoot. Personally, I'd have zero interest in this "offer".
Edited to add…. I know you think these threads somehow help your business but they don't. They turn into a smear campaign. You smearing anti hammer guys, anti hammer guys smearing you. This is the type of thread you constantly start that end up pushing people away. I'm not sure if you're stubborn or just can't realize that you drive away more business than you gain with your posts. Do yourself a favor and hire someone to promote your bullets. I believe @sndmn11 might be in this type of business. You aren't doing yourself, your business partner, or hammer bullets any favors by constantly posting this type of thread.
Edited to add…. I know you think these threads somehow help your business but they don't. They turn into a smear campaign. You smearing anti hammer guys, anti hammer guys smearing you. This is the type of thread you constantly start that end up pushing people away. I'm not sure if you're stubborn or just can't realize that you drive away more business than you gain with your posts. Do yourself a favor and hire someone to promote your bullets. I believe @sndmn11 might be in this type of business. You aren't doing yourself, your business partner, or hammer bullets any favors by constantly posting this type of thread.
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Maybe he doesn't have the best public relations type of attitude ( I don't either ) but he seems to be like me and want to know why or how to fix the problem. From what I've seen the guys at Hammer bullets are striving to make a better product some through testing and some from failures. Nobody gets it right the first time.
He didn't say who it was, I don't know I'm not trying to find out who.
Nothing is perfect, there not gonna work for everybody but it would be nice to know why.
He didn't say who it was, I don't know I'm not trying to find out who.
Nothing is perfect, there not gonna work for everybody but it would be nice to know why.
RockyMtnMT
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Normally I would have zero interest in making the offer. Seemed like a win win for both of us in this case. I am the only one that really has anything to lose. Certainly, I am the one forking out the money and time. It would be me on the hook if it was damaged in delivery.
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shaughn
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Bravo...I think any bullet maker is always interested to know why...is it the design the material a particular style of rifling or the cutter used in the rifling, how the the steel was stressed, reloading practices...I mean I play with century old and older rifles in addition to modern and seek help from other shooters and practitioners and have shipped off problem children on occasion , because it left me baffled.... sometimes the problem was simple and fixable other times it the rifle and it was relegated to wall hanger status or rebuild because we couldn't overcome the issue.
That a manufacturer is willing to take on the issue to see, what may be wrong...well that is just nice.....instead of a shrug and a better luck next time.
That a manufacturer is willing to take on the issue to see, what may be wrong...well that is just nice.....instead of a shrug and a better luck next time.
