NEW 6.5 WIN. LONG RANGE MAGNUM!!!

[MudRunner2005]

Mudrunner..MK Ultra? really? That was an illegal CIA mind control experiment
Started in the late 50's! It used LSD and BZ along with other hallucinogens on US and Canadian citizens!.. I hardly think an ad campaign sinks to that level??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

I know very well what MK Ultra is. They still dabble with it, despite claiming they don't. It was supposedly shutdown under the Nuremberg Code, but it was not fully shutdown. You ever heard of Plum Island? Yes, it started out micro-dosing people with LSD (some people up to a decade or more), but they figured out other ways to implement the mind control (subliminal messaging). Look up Operation Mockingbird. It's still being used to this day. Don't believe me, watch CNN or MSNBC...They're all part of it. Remember all those "polls" claiming Hillary had a 90% chance of winning? Subliminal mind-control to keep people from voting for Trump. Remember that load of crap about Trump is separating families at the border and keeping children in "cages", when all those pictures were from the Obama presidency... Remember when the media and David Hogg tried to push gun control by claiming he was a "survivor" when he wasn't even at the school that day? They might not be dosing you with LSD these days, but they're dosing you with bullcrap to push an agenda. These people live by the old saying of "the more times you repeat a lie, the more believe it's true."

 

[Capt RB]

A 1:9" twist will stabilise ANY 140gr bullet, VLD OR NOT.
The reason people THINK their rifle isn't stabilising bullets is due to poor accuracy, nothing more.
I have witnessed a 1:9" twist barrel shoot 140gr Partitions into 5" @ 100, the reason was due to seating depth and poor loading techniques.
I have one match and a few load testers down a new Bartlein 1:8" twist barrel in 264WM, I cannot see a single difference in group size between it and my 1:9" barrel.

Go figure.

Cheers.

You say that however you don't hunt or shoot here in the east with no elevation and typically cold to very cold weather. Baro in the 30.03-30.30 range and temps from 20to -30. Elevations from 50-1400'. I had a 264 years ago and for my application it did nothing I couldn't do with a 270. Again with ranges less than 400yds only 3 in the mag vs 5 muzzle blast. Out west where you can use it's legs and have the elevation to help out your right about the 9

 

[Capt RB]

Current Baro were I live right now.I'm about a mile from the 30.17 weather station lower right of the map. Unfortunately When I copy and paste the whole map doesn't come up. Here is the link
http://www.usairnet.com/weather/maps/current/massachusetts/barometric-pressure/#
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[Hubby45]

I have a sweet .264 Win Mag pre 64 Mdl 70 Win that was passed to me from my Dad. I love it. It puts the whammy on deer and has taken a truck load of ground hogs at distance.

 

[yorke-1]

Try loading some med to heavily compressed loads with .002 neck tension. Measure COAL. Leave them sit for a couple of months and remeasure the COAL. I will bet you find they have walked out on their own, just from the pressure of the powder under them. Same effect happens under recoil, just quicker. Not a problem single loading for target shooting and using ammo loaded that day or the night before.

I can see there being a problem if you're only running .002" neck tension. I'd never do that on one of my hunting rifles though so that's why I've never had an issue. Although in a rifle it's more likely that the bullets will get pushed deeper into the case from hitting the front of the magazine box or while cycling through the action.

I know very well what MK Ultra is. They still dabble with it, despite claiming they don't. It was supposedly shutdown under the Nuremberg Code, but it was not fully shutdown. You ever heard of Plum Island? Yes, it started out micro-dosing people with LSD (some people up to a decade or more), but they figured out other ways to implement the mind control (subliminal messaging). Look up Operation Mockingbird. It's still being used to this day. Don't believe me, watch CNN or MSNBC...They're all part of it. Remember all those "polls" claiming Hillary had a 90% chance of winning? Subliminal mind-control to keep people from voting for Trump. Remember that load of crap about Trump is separating families at the border and keeping children in "cages", when all those pictures were from the Obama presidency... Remember when the media and David Hogg tried to push gun control by claiming he was a "survivor" when he wasn't even at the school that day? They might not be dosing you with LSD these days, but they're dosing you with bullcrap to push an agenda. These people live by the old saying of "the more times you repeat a lie, the more believe it's true."

Well when you put it that way, I guess I understand why the 264 is so great. Folks have repeated the lie that it's the best so many times that they're starting to believe it's true.

Or maybe all of us who aren't worshiping at the alter of the "classic" cartridge are part of some shooters cabal focused on the rise of the Hornady empire with the ultimate goal taking over the shooting industry by driving out the competition. Once we've successfully turned Hornady into an unstoppable juggernaut, we'll move on to the next level of the plan where we team up with Amazon (who's already approaching their apex) to use all of the information they've gathered on the American to wage war on the shooting public. We already know which homes will resist because you fools have all voluntarily allowed listening devices (your phones) into your lives! Now the call will go out to our underground army and the Creedmoor revolution will begin!!!!! After the downfall of the American resistance, we'll bring in the Soviets (yes the Soviets, not Russians) and create our new socialist paradise to be ruled by Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders!! The red flag of the new world order (did you think it was a coincidence that Hornady uses the color red) will fly freely over the battle fields as we take on the futile resistance of small factions of rebels who try to fight back with their inferior (but esthetically pleasing and classic) weapons using Nosler partitions loaded in Pre-64 model 70 Winchester's!!!!!!!!!

So go ahead, keep clinging to your classic rounds. But as the supply of components starts to slowly dry up, and the "classic" rounds are scrubbed from history, just remember that a war is coming. Who's side are you on?

Edit to add: I need a tinfoil hat emoji

 

[FEENIX]

I need a tinfoil hat emoji

Will this do?

 

[MudRunner2005]

Well when you put it that way, I guess I understand why the 264 is so great. Folks have repeated the lie that it's the best so many times that they're starting to believe it's true.

Or maybe all of us who aren't worshiping at the alter of the "classic" cartridge are part of some shooters cabal focused on the rise of the Hornady empire with the ultimate goal taking over the shooting industry by driving out the competition. Once we've successfully turned Hornady into an unstoppable juggernaut, we'll move on to the next level of the plan where we team up with Amazon (who's already approaching their apex) to use all of the information they've gathered on the American to wage war on the shooting public. We already know which homes will resist because you fools have all voluntarily allowed listening devices (your phones) into your lives! Now the call will go out to our underground army and the Creedmoor revolution will begin!!!!! After the downfall of the American resistance, we'll bring in the Soviets (yes the Soviets, not Russians) and create our new socialist paradise to be ruled by Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders!! The red flag of the new world order (did you think it was a coincidence that Hornady uses the color red) will fly freely over the battle fields as we take on the futile resistance of small factions of rebels who try to fight back with their inferior (but esthetically pleasing and classic) weapons using Nosler partitions loaded in Pre-64 model 70 Winchester's!!!!!!!!!

So go ahead, keep klinging to your classic rounds. But as the supply of components starts to slowly dry up, and the "classic" rounds are scrubbed from history, just remember that a war is coming. Who's side are you on?

Edit to add: I need a tinfoil hat emoji

Not exactly what I was getting at. You certainly have a creative imagination.

They do use it in advertising campaigns, whether you want to push it to that insane and imaginary level of results, or not.

 

[Gcan]

Not a page fewer than 30!

Its simple physics. And there ain't no new laws of physics. Velocity and mass is velocity and mass. Delivery? That's a different subject. Add new bullets, appropriate twists and modern powders to the golden oldies and Shazam you have today's particle beam weapons. My 375 H&H with smks and a 1:11 stick is a 1000 yard hammer.
Not sure we can have a discussion about 1950s or 60s rifles or cartridges without factoring the then current accepted ethical norms. I was shooting deer at 500 yards when the hunting community called that unethical at a time when wounded animals were common. I was a pariah. Didn't matter I made more one shot kills than any ten people I knew combined. This is when I reasoned that my deer always tasted better than everyone's. No adrenaline. No fear. Today we shoot 500 yards like it's free.
There were no laser rangefinders back then. The published balistics charts seldom (seldom) went past 300 yards. We used military or other optical rangefinders. +/- 30 yards was good enough. There were no BDC or ranging reticles. You shot deer at 100 yards then. Flat shooting meant 200 yards. The 264 WM was built for that mind set. Slow twist light bullets- trying to make the same hydrostatic shock as a 300 WM or Rem 7mm mag using light bullets in a lighter gun. Marketing 101 folks. They built rifles gor the times. I eventually bought a 40xb in 300 win mag to go farther. There were no long range hunting bullets back then. No hi bc Vlds. So when they built 264 mags et al no one was thinking 700 or 1000 yards. A good (really good) factory gun shot 1" at 100. Most shot 2". If you had one of those 1" miracles you had something. Today we have 1/4 moa guns and ammo with $4000 glass. Try to find any add from the 60s that even mentions MOA. In the 1960s great glass was a 3x9 Redfield. So it seems to me that judging any cartridge of yesteryear without applying the benefits of all that we have today is kinda shortsighted and plays right into the instant gratification, I'm gonna get one today mentality. Fortunately, Unlike the Mohamad Ali/Rocky argument, with guns we can compare. Have, Dave or Kirby or Sean build a 264 win mag or pretty much anything and fit it out to today's standards and it's going to flat a- - shoot. Period.
Nothing important really changes. When I was a kid we didn't have threads. We could write to Sports Afield or Outdoor Life and post an opinion, but mostly it was at the local club or wherever shooters gathered in their red wool plaid suits. About the only thing has changed is our ability to have the same discussions in a thread. The subject is exactly the same.

Merry Christmas to all

 

[yorke-1]

Not exactly what I was getting at. You certainly have a creative imagination.

They do use it in advertising campaigns, whether you want to push it to that insane and imaginary level of results, or not.

It's all basic marketing. Gullible people always believe that they're the only ones who can see through the hype. Then the gullible people on the other side say that the others are fools for falling for it. It's not mind control, it's just human nature. People see and hear what they want, whether it's with guns, politics or anything else in life. Just let folks do their own thing and move one.

 

[FEENIX]

It's all basic marketing. Gullible people always believe that they're the only ones who can see through the hype. Then the gullible people on the other side say that the others are fools for falling for it. It's not mind control, it's just human nature. People see and hear what they want, whether it's with guns, politics or anything else in life. Just let folks do their own thing and move one.

Agreed! It don't get no simpler than that.

 

[yorke-1]

Will this do?

View attachment 115190

That will do nicely, thanks!

 

[buck8541]

Sadly I have not shot my 264 WM very much since H870 disappeared. I know there equivalent and slower burning powders out there but they just don't do what H870 did in my rifle, and I'm tired of spending money trying to achieve the same velocity/accuracy combination that H870 gave.

 

[stx]

Sadly I have not shot my 264 WM very much since H870 disappeared. I know there equivalent and slower burning powders out there but they just don't do what H870 did in my rifle, and I'm tired of spending money trying to achieve the same velocity/accuracy combination that H870 gave.

Retumbo has worked good for me with 140 VLDs......going to work up some loads with RL26 and 121 grain Hammers soon. Have heard good thing about 264WM and RL26....it was the velocity/accuracy answer for my 6.5x284.

 

[lotek]

Pretty much nailed it right there... It's not "new and shiny" and doesn't have an MK Ultra hype-campaign being pushed behind it for today's instant gratification junkies with millisecond attention spans. Oh, and lets not forget this newfound dissonance about belted cartridges being somehow inherently bad. Can't tell you how many times I've both heard and read that lately...

I don't have a .264 WinMag, but I would own one before I'd own any of today's barrel-burner magnum 6.5's, or a 6.5CM or PRC. The only modern 6.5mm cartridges I could see myself owning (other than the 6.5 Grendel, that I've had for years) would be a 6.5 SS, 6.5 Sherman, .260 Rem, or .260 AI.

Sense when is a 6.5 creedmoor a barrel burner. 140gr @ 2700fps??