Copper Bullets

[Pdvdh]

Effectively designed copper monolithic bullets that shed their noses upon impact, and maintain a solid blunted shank, can be very lethal.

Over the past 7 yrs, we've shot sheep, Mt. goat, caribou, moose, grizzly, and brown bear.

Only recovered a couple bullet shanks. They don't need to look like a classical expanded lead-core jacketed bullet to be equally, or more, lethal on game.

Some might simply need to see them in action, for convincing. Even though meat damage is ~20% of frangible bullets, they can still drop game where they stand, upon impact.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

It is not typical for Hammers to have a tiny exit hole. Most typical is golf ball sized exit. Sometimes much larger. It is certainly possible to have a small exit, like any other bullet. Once in a while we have a bullet that stays in an animal. Not often unless it is a hard angled shot. Impact to drop is faster with Hammers than I have seen with any other bullet. We just got back from our trip to Aussie to test several new bullet designs. The main testing was with a dangerous game solid. Solids are not known for large terminal wounding. We also tested some larger caliber Hammer HHT's. We shot north of 140 animals. Only one animal traveled farther than 30y after impact. That animal was hit with the first shot by a different well known copper bullet. A lethal shot quartering away on a large bull water buffalo. Then the chase was on. Buffalo was shot 4 more times before he was stopped. About a quarter mile run. The owner of that rifle started loading Hammers the day after we got home. His name is Troy and his main game is taking people out hunting for water buffalo. He was previously very happy with his bullet choice. After seeing somewhere around 50 big game animals taken with the Hammers, he has made the switch. He had no intention of changing and frankly was skeptical that what we had could do anything better. There is no way that he would have switched had he not seen what he saw. Troy sees hundreds of animals shot every year with all kinds of bullets. He very much thought he had the best bullet available, until he took us out hunting.

 

[Ucsdryder]

It is not typical for Hammers to have a tiny exit hole. Most typical is golf ball sized exit. Sometimes much larger. It is certainly possible to have a small exit, like any other bullet. Once in a while we have a bullet that stays in an animal. Not often unless it is a hard angled shot. Impact to drop is faster with Hammers than I have seen with any other bullet. We just got back from our trip to Aussie to test several new bullet designs. The main testing was with a dangerous game solid. Solids are not known for large terminal wounding. We also tested some larger caliber Hammer HHT's. We shot north of 140 animals. Only one animal traveled farther than 30y after impact. That animal was hit with the first shot by a different well known copper bullet. A lethal shot quartering away on a large bull water buffalo. Then the chase was on. Buffalo was shot 4 more times before he was stopped. About a quarter mile run. The owner of that rifle started loading Hammers the day after we got home. His name is Troy and his main game is taking people out hunting for water buffalo. He was previously very happy with his bullet choice. After seeing somewhere around 50 big game animals taken with the Hammers, he has made the switch. He had no intention of changing and frankly was skeptical that what we had could do anything better. There is no way that he would have switched had he not seen what he saw. Troy sees hundreds of animals shot every year with all kinds of bullets. He very much thought he had the best bullet available, until he took us out hunting.

I've seen what you're talking about. Baseball sized exit hole. Bullets don't always act like they're supposed to, regardless of what they are, I get it. In my initial post I was just trying to help explain the differences in monos and how they're designed to work. I think both have advantages and disadvantages. That's all.

 

[AGGRO]

I've seen lead bullets, if it doesn't hit bone, look like it was a shot with a target arrow.

 

[Rich Coyle]

If a bullet is 150 grains and after it is recovered it is 145 grains that is high weight retention. If a bullet starts at 150 and the shank is all that's left and it's 50 grains that's "not good weight retention". I'm not sure what's NOT to understand.

A big mushroom = high weight retention because it didn't shed all its weight. I was saying the same thing in a different way.

Do you truly not understand or are you being argumentative. Seems like the latter. Which is strange because nobody is going to argue that a hammer has low weight retention and a Barnes has high weight retention. As uncle Si would say, "that's a fact jack!"

Whose being argumentative? I don't understand the love for a big mushroom.


I killed deerc where I could not find the entrance and I killed deer I couldn't find the exit, but the deer dropped.

The lungs and heart were a mess. That's what I want. The weight or shape or condition of the finished bullet is irrelevant.

 

[DoneNOut]

Whose being argumentative? I don't understand the love for a big mushroom.


I killed deerc where I could not find the entrance and I killed deer I couldn't find the exit, but the deer dropped.

The lungs and heart were a mess. That's what I want. The weight or shape or condition of the finished bullet is irrelevant.

The first doe I shot with a Hammer, the first kill with a Hammer, I couldn't find the entry or exit! However, it flopped on it's back like it got struck by lightning! A gallon of blood out it's mouth and its vitals were blendered!

 

[FEENIX]

I think those that side with Sierra Club and green libs a threat to 2A.

Yep!

 

[FEENIX]

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[ButterBean]

The first doe I shot with a Hammer, the first kill with a Hammer, I couldn't find the entry or exit! However, it flopped on it's back like it got struck by lightning! A gallon of blood out it's mouth and its vitals were blendered!

The "Slush" factor, quoted from the man, the myth and the legend GLTaylor

 

[Zen Archery]

2 weeks, 4 counties, 3 calibers,
4 Hammer Bullets.

 

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[Quintus]

I am only a 500 yard and in guy for shooting big game guy so most monos will perform for me in theory. From what I used it mostly comes down to ease of finding accuracy in bullet selection, but I have found a couple that terminal performance was uninspiring.

 

[pickens72]

22/250 73gr Absolute exit!

 

[Quintus]

Accidently hit the post reply.
GMX and E-Tip were both difficult to load for me and neither made up for it with impressive wound channels. TSX, TTSX, and Hammer Hunters have been very easy to tune across several rifles, in several calibers, and several weights in caliber. They also have performed very well on game from 30 feet to 500 yards. I am working with the Badlands BD2 this year and they have tuned with a little work but have proven to be capable of consistent precision and hopefully we will get some on game evaluation this year. IMHO Barnes and Hammer Hunter are the easy button starting with monos. Hammers are the cream of the crop because as stated in earlier posts, load development is as easy as I have ever experienced. Very good accuracy and velocity can be achieved even with less than ideal powder/primer for cartridge combinations.