The title says it a lot on this particular thread. Now I spoke to a gentlemen that had said the win mag is harder for a smith to get shooting excellent due to the belted case, and that the WSM can produce the same speeds if not better and will be easy for a smith to get shooting excellent. I always read posts on people hunting and shooting a win mag at extended ranges and pushing 210-215 Bergers at 2800 to almost 3000. But never see much hunting done with a 300. WSM or velocities. What's your preference and the guys shooting the wsm, what kind of speeds are you getting with the 210-230?