142 ABLR vs 143 ELD-x vs 140 Elite Hunter

Greasegun said:

.040 or .045". have also not tried <.01 or touching. hunting load so nervous about touching.

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Okay how about COAL

keithcandler said:

41 is not a magnum primer

do not be NERVOUS about touching the lands!!! Been doing it for 40 years!

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The only reason I say that is dont want an unfired round coming apart while extracting, might make for a bad hunting day. Not from experience, just hear that is something to worry about. Guess it just depends how confident I am not jamming them much.

Greasegun said:

Lapua brass, CCI 41 SR primers. H4350. Hoping to stick with that powder for now for its great temp stability (and I still have 7 pounds of it). Using 41.5 grains for 2770 fps. Charge weight didnt seem to affect group size at 200yds by any significant amount. Have tried jumps of .01, .02, .03, .04, .045, .050, .055, .060, .070, .080. Most of those produced about 1 moa @100 yards. .040 to .055 give me about 3/4 moa. Have had a .46 moa 5 shot group at .040 but it didnt hold true when loading up 10 more, back to 3/4 moa.

Thanks for any advice on that. Also to note, my rifle did not shoot the precision hunter 143 ammunition well either, about 1.25 moa. It does shoot berger target ammunition 130gr and 140gr hybrids to sub 1/2 moa at 200 and 400 yards.

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Fed 210 primers and same powder same at 143 x works great for me ! That's a 1" bull at 100

skipglo said:

Okay how about COAL

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I dont remember the COAL, CBTO is 2.182 for .045 jump. 2.187 for .040. I can fit anything out to a .01 jam in the magazine, so no restriction there.

skipglo said:

Okay how about COAL

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Greasegun said:

Hello, New to this forum, first post here. Did a little searching, didnt find what I was after, sorry if this is redundant.

Working up a 6.5 creedmoor long range deer hunting load. Started with 143Eldx, but have only been able to get them down to 3/4 MOA @ 100-200 yards, even after tuning seating depth. Hoping for better. Thinking of trying either the berger 140 elite hunter or the 142 accubond long range. What is the consensus on this forum about accuracy of those bullets, and what are ya'll experiencing with terminal performance of them? This will be used on whitetail out to 600 yard for now but maybe out to 1000 some day. Are there any other high BC options I am missing?
Thanks!

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Hammer bullets

I agree on trying the CCI 450. I shoot those exclusively in my 6.5x47's. one shoots the 130 Berger hunting at 2950 FPS. Other gun I switched to the 124 Hammer Hunter this year. No velocity testing so far. But as was mentioned earlier it is a very accurate bullet! Load development consisted of just a few shots. Took a big whitetail buck this year. Bang flop. Very impressed with the 124 HH so far.

What makes these hammer hunter bullets so easy to tune.
Shep

Not sure but everyone seems to have the same results. Design of the nose maybe like a hybrid. Just a guess. But believe what you read, they flat out work.

skipglo said:

Fed 210 primers and same powder same at 143 x works great for me ! That's a 1" bull at 100

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Lot of differnce between a Federal 205 in the small rifle primer brass and the 210 in the large rifle primer brass. I use 210's in some loads myself.

25WSM said:

What makes these hammer hunter bullets so easy to tune.
Shep

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I dont know, but a CNC turned bullet should have a very consistent nose/ogive profile. I imagine that would help. Also Im guessing here, but that might make the BC more consistent as well.

I have never used a solid copper bullet. In the past I had heard people have trouble with barnes not opening up enough so I have always been leary. I do prefer a bullet that penetrates clear thru an animal though for the exit wound, blood trail, making it easier to find. Sounds like people have success with these hammers here so maybe I should consider them.

BigSky112 said:

Hammer bullets

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I haven't really figured out the hammers. What velocity is necessary for optimal performance and what is the minimum recommended velocity? We had a 7mm 177 hammer hunter go through a big buck just behind the shoulder at 540 yards and it went through so fast it made a dust cloud on the hill. The buck stumbled a couple of times and ran off like nothing happened. Watching the video several times it looked like a double lung shot. No blood, searched an entire day for it. The second was at 400 yards and he hit in front of the rear quarter with the same dust on the hill from the pass through. This time he clipped the aorta but left a dime sized hole in and a nickel out. Maybe a 177gr from a 7mm WSM was too heavy, could only get them up to 2890 before heavy bolt lift (26" 1:8 twist barrel). Would appreciate some thought on the experience we had with hammers and what may have improved the outcome. I know many have great success using them and respect their comments. I would love to make them work but with the longer shots we take (seldom less than 500 yd) it may not be in the cards. This is the one that clipped the aorta. 13 yo grandson was quite pleased with his kaibab muley. 198.25"

The Nosler 175g LONG range accubond is one heck of an accurate bullet and easy to tune in 7mm, and these bullets expand violently with the base giving complete penetration. 7 Mag with R#26 is 3030 fps, 280 AI with 7828 is 2970, std 280 at 2930, all shoot tiny groups. I bought 10 boxes.

JTB that is the first report I've read of a Hammer not doing what it's designed to do. With the softer copper material and a deep hollow point I figured expansion would be guaranteed. What did the wound channel look like? Did the bullet shed it's petals? I've only taken two animals so I'm no expert on the Hammers but they've sure worked great so far. Like other makers Hammer recommends 1800 FPS impact velocity.

BEEMAN said:

JTB that is the first report I've read of a Hammer not doing what it's designed to do. With the softer copper material and a deep hollow point I figured expansion would be guaranteed. What did the wound channel look like? Did the bullet shed it's petals? I've only taken two animals so I'm no expert on the Hammers but they've sure worked great so far. Like other makers Hammer recommends 1800 FPS impact velocity.

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Could not find the projectile in the dirt. The wound channel was fairly unremarkable with a nickle-sized exit wound. The shot was a little high, slightly in front of the hind quarters, and disrupted the aorta leaving a prominent blood trail for about 100 ft before it dropped. The first buck was the most concerning as the 540 ya shot passed through just behind the front shoulder were we believed it was a perfect double lung shot. The video confirmed the shot placement. The buck dropped immediately and after struggling to regain his balance he bounced off never to be seen again. All we can figure is that it may have hit a little high but did not appear to be. I will give one of the the .257s a try as I won't make a judgement after one misadventures