338 caliber 270 grain ELD-X vs. Mule Deer

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Hello all,

Just thought I'd post my experience with this bullet on a game animal since there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there on it. My long range deer hunting rig is a Desert Tech SRS A-2 in .338 Lapua. Last year (2018 season) I loaded up some 300 grain Bergers to try. Ended up sending one through the heart of a whitetail buck at 442 yards, but unfortunately it seemed to have "penciled" through without expanding, or didn't expand very much. Not to knock Berger at all, they make fantastic bullets, this particular one just didn't quite expand like I want a hunting bullet to. This year, I decided to give the Hornady ELD-X a shot. I developed a load with H1000 that delivered a consistent 2805 fps and printed .3" to .5" groups at 100 yards. On opening day, I spotted a nice mule buck at 390 yards and sent a Hornady thru his vitals. Shot felt good, heard the thwack of a solid hit, deer was pretty much DRT. When we hung the deer and skinned him out, we discovered a 6" entry hole thru the left side of his rib cage. I am 100% sure this was an entry and NOT an exit hole. The bullet (or what was left of it) was found stuck in his right shoulder. The jacket was completely separated from the core and retained about 40% of its weight. My questions from all of this are:

1. What caused the bullet to blow up on entry like this? Seems like pretty violent expansion for a hunting bullet - more like what you'd expect with a varmint bullet
2. Would this bullet be suitable for tougher game such as moose, especially if it comes into contact with bone?

P.S. I know .338 LM is way overkill for deer inside of 800 yards, but it's by far the most accurate gun in my collection, which is why I use it for longer shots.
 
Hello all,

Just thought I'd post my experience with this bullet on a game animal since there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there on it. My long range deer hunting rig is a Desert Tech SRS A-2 in .338 Lapua. Last year (2018 season) I loaded up some 300 grain Bergers to try. Ended up sending one through the heart of a whitetail buck at 442 yards, but unfortunately it seemed to have "penciled" through without expanding, or didn't expand very much. Not to knock Berger at all, they make fantastic bullets, this particular one just didn't quite expand like I want a hunting bullet to. This year, I decided to give the Hornady ELD-X a shot. I developed a load with H1000 that delivered a consistent 2805 fps and printed .3" to .5" groups at 100 yards. On opening day, I spotted a nice mule buck at 390 yards and sent a Hornady thru his vitals. Shot felt good, heard the thwack of a solid hit, deer was pretty much DRT. When we hung the deer and skinned him out, we discovered a 6" entry hole thru the left side of his rib cage. I am 100% sure this was an entry and NOT an exit hole. The bullet (or what was left of it) was found stuck in his right shoulder. The jacket was completely separated from the core and retained about 40% of its weight. My questions from all of this are:

1. What caused the bullet to blow up on entry like this? Seems like pretty violent expansion for a hunting bullet - more like what you'd expect with a varmint bullet
2. Would this bullet be suitable for tougher game such as moose, especially if it comes into contact with bone?

P.S. I know .338 LM is way overkill for deer inside of 800 yards, but it's by far the most accurate gun in my collection, which is why I use it for longer shots.
This is why a lot of people prefer the 285 M over the X. Even though they are considered a target bullet, the nose of the jacket is thicker than the X. The ones Ive seen recovered have a perfect mushroom.
 
I used the 285 eldm for a bit launched around 2825.

I found very shallow penetration along with very little weight retention.

2 elk and 2 deer was enough for me to switch to a different bullet in that gun.

No experience with the 270's, however, the 200 gr eldx In 30 cal has shown to be explosive as well. However, they have always made it through the vitals.

mall the animals I've shot/witnessed with eldx the lead almost always separates from the core.
 
I used the 285 eldm for a bit launched around 2825.

I found very shallow penetration along with very little weight retention.

2 elk and 2 deer was enough for me to switch to a different bullet in that gun.

No experience with the 270's, however, the 200 gr eldx In 30 cal has shown to be explosive as well. However, they have always made it through the vitals.

mall the animals I've shot/witnessed with eldx the lead almost always separates from the core.
Shame the bigger caliber ELD's seem to act this way, that 270-285 grain range seems to be a sweet spot for the Lapua
 
Hello all,

Just thought I'd post my experience with this bullet on a game animal since there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there on it. My long range deer hunting rig is a Desert Tech SRS A-2 in .338 Lapua. Last year (2018 season) I loaded up some 300 grain Bergers to try. Ended up sending one through the heart of a whitetail buck at 442 yards, but unfortunately it seemed to have "penciled" through without expanding, or didn't expand very much. Not to knock Berger at all, they make fantastic bullets, this particular one just didn't quite expand like I want a hunting bullet to. This year, I decided to give the Hornady ELD-X a shot. I developed a load with H1000 that delivered a consistent 2805 fps and printed .3" to .5" groups at 100 yards. On opening day, I spotted a nice mule buck at 390 yards and sent a Hornady thru his vitals. Shot felt good, heard the thwack of a solid hit, deer was pretty much DRT. When we hung the deer and skinned him out, we discovered a 6" entry hole thru the left side of his rib cage. I am 100% sure this was an entry and NOT an exit hole. The bullet (or what was left of it) was found stuck in his right shoulder. The jacket was completely separated from the core and retained about 40% of its weight. My questions from all of this are:

1. What caused the bullet to blow up on entry like this? Seems like pretty violent expansion for a hunting bullet - more like what you'd expect with a varmint bullet
2. Would this bullet be suitable for tougher game such as moose, especially if it comes into contact with bone?

P.S. I know .338 LM is way overkill for deer inside of 800 yards, but it's by far the most accurate gun in my collection, which is why I use it for longer shots.


Answers: these are my opinions from limited experience!

#1- It's an ELD-X.....expect it
#2- Absolutely Not

memtb
 
I never got eldx bullets to shoot in my 338 edge. 250/300 accubond or Bergers shoot very well.
For deer, the 250 Berger or accubond would be my first choice. The 265 LRAB would be worth a try too.
In test media, the 300 Berger when through 24" if stacked dry paper (magazines) @100m. It destroyed the paper and fragmented something fierce. I've learned you need to check the tips of the Bergers and make sure it is open. Very small drill bit does this in 3 seconds.
 
338 Lapua isn't overkill. My 18 year old shoots a 378 Weatherby Imp. and my 15 year old shoots a 340 Weatherby Imp. Deer, antelope, pigs, elk. It doesn't matter. If the rifle fits and comfortable to shoot, you have a good platform to build confidence. Picking the correct bullet is the key to that confidence. It's not always the one with the highest BC. Every situation has a great, good, and poor choice. It's up to you to make the right decision.

My suggestion would be the 236 Hammer Dead Blow. Accuracy, performance, confidence. Great bullet for all shooting.

Good Luck my friend. Keep shooting that Lapua.

Jayson
 
This is why a lot of people prefer the 285 M over the X. Even though they are considered a target bullet, the nose of the jacket is thicker than the X. The ones Ive seen recovered have a perfect mushroom.
I thought it was the opposite...when people cut the ELDm it showed a thinner jacket than the ELDx?
 
This is why a lot of people prefer the 285 M over the X. Even though they are considered a target bullet, the nose of the jacket is thicker than the X. The ones Ive seen recovered have a perfect mushroom.
heres a picture I found. To me the nose look similar but the middle and rear of the ELDx is much thicker...
 

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Those bullets are half the weight of the 338 cal versions, I'd prefer to see actual cross sections of the bullets in discussion, they could very possibly be different construction.
 
nodak ,,, for Alaska Moose in 338 bore stick with the 250gr Nosler Partition or Swift a-frame ,, stay clear away from the exotic heavy weight VLDs like the Berger and Hornady VLD-X ,,,, as while those can fly well and be very accurate to 1000Y ,,,,, bullet performance on a large animal like a moose can be inconsistent ,,,
 
In my 338 NM, I have taken a mule deer at 300 and an elk at 700 with the Berger 300 VLDs at 2780 fps. The bullet completely fragmented inside and left a fist size hole all the way through it. Elk didn't have a comparable POI but did the job well. I just wonder if the OTM's would be better with thicker jackets. There are lots of posts here with the OTMs working just fine. The heavy 338 bullets just have an insane amount of energy. Very addicting especially when they shoot bug holes.

I also have the 285 ELD-Ms that shoot just as well. Haven't had opportunities to test on game. However, after seeing several posts with the ELDX and M cross sections of the 6.5 bullets, I wouldn't mind bisecting one for the cause. Noda, if you want to send me a few of your 270's, I could do some cross sections.

I also wanted to try the lighter bullets to see what velocities I could get. I picked the 265 ABLR as I like the bullet design over the ELDs. I just ran the pressure tests and the sweet spot looks to be about 2900 fps in my gun. Haven't tested for accuracy. I tried some of the ABLRs in another caliber when they first came out and they didn't group well or have consistent bullet dimensions. Bullet dims on latest batch of 265s are much better so hoping for better accuracy. The 265s will probably be my bullet for the next few seasons since I'm out of the 300 VLDs.
 
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