What percentage is your vehicle US Made?
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padd54
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padd54
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Mine are pretty much 100% with the exception of the 1988 Ford Ranger maybe, the others are; 1976 Ford Elite and two 1968 F250 Ranger Camper Specials. I refuse to buy a new vehical and I plenty of spare parts to keep these running for my Grandkids to enjoy. 
LRSickle
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I also own a 2010 Tundra.
I work in a steel mill in Plymouth, Utah. You've never seen a more "made in America" group of guys. I got a lot of crap about my Tundra until I showed them that it was assembled in Texas with 80% U.S. parts.
Our plant manager won't put up christmas lights because he can't find any that aren't made in China, (our nemesis). I see USA flags everywhere I go in the mill.
I work in a steel mill in Plymouth, Utah. You've never seen a more "made in America" group of guys. I got a lot of crap about my Tundra until I showed them that it was assembled in Texas with 80% U.S. parts.
Our plant manager won't put up christmas lights because he can't find any that aren't made in China, (our nemesis). I see USA flags everywhere I go in the mill.
What I do not understand is how much envy and hatred out there towards the Toyota Tundra.
SidecarFlip
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I'm not envious of any Toyota owner or Toyota (except maybe someone driving an early FJ with a 350 Chevy V8 under the hood) and no hatred other than I live in Michigan and Toyota is really a Japanese Corporation. not that Chrysler isn't Itallian now.... I look at where the dollars in profit come to roost. Toyota dollars (or Yen) don't stay here. They go to Japan. Enough said on that.
With a global economy you really can't look at a particular brand, be it Chevy or Ford or Chrysler or Toyota, or Mazda or on an on and say with certainty the vehicle was made in such and such place because all the automakers source componentry from all over the world now.
Ford has Chinese Parts (I know that for a fact, we are a Ford family as in employee plan....), I'm sure all the other automakers do too. Honda sources components from US manufacturers. On the subject of Honda, I can say with prejudice that Honda has the most rigorous quality Control program of any manufacturer. I'm not at liberty to say how I know, but I do.
Buying a vehicle, any vehicle is equal portions of utility and romance perpetrated by great advertising on the part of the manufacturers.
My take on buying any brand of vehicle is that it's positively the absolute worst investement you can make because it's a depreciating investment, except in rare cases. Good guns appreciate, gold appreciates (we hope), houses used to appreciate and will again.... Automobiles don't and never have (excepting in rare instances) but the norm in they don't.
I want the best bang for my buck number one and two, I want to pay cash or get '0' percent financing for the life of the loan. Other than that, I'll keep my beaters. They are paid for....with cash.
If it goes down the road, don't dig too big a hole in your pocket and don't burn excessive oil and is paid for, all is right with me. Pretty bodies belong on young blondes.
With a global economy you really can't look at a particular brand, be it Chevy or Ford or Chrysler or Toyota, or Mazda or on an on and say with certainty the vehicle was made in such and such place because all the automakers source componentry from all over the world now.
Ford has Chinese Parts (I know that for a fact, we are a Ford family as in employee plan....), I'm sure all the other automakers do too. Honda sources components from US manufacturers. On the subject of Honda, I can say with prejudice that Honda has the most rigorous quality Control program of any manufacturer. I'm not at liberty to say how I know, but I do.
Buying a vehicle, any vehicle is equal portions of utility and romance perpetrated by great advertising on the part of the manufacturers.
My take on buying any brand of vehicle is that it's positively the absolute worst investement you can make because it's a depreciating investment, except in rare cases. Good guns appreciate, gold appreciates (we hope), houses used to appreciate and will again.... Automobiles don't and never have (excepting in rare instances) but the norm in they don't.
I want the best bang for my buck number one and two, I want to pay cash or get '0' percent financing for the life of the loan. Other than that, I'll keep my beaters. They are paid for....with cash.
If it goes down the road, don't dig too big a hole in your pocket and don't burn excessive oil and is paid for, all is right with me. Pretty bodies belong on young blondes.
I'm not envious of any Toyota owner or Toyota (except maybe someone driving an early FJ with a 350 Chevy V8 under the hood) and no hatred other than I live in Michigan and Toyota is really a Japanese Corporation. not that Chrysler isn't Itallian now.... I look at where the dollars in profit come to roost. Toyota dollars (or Yen) don't stay here. They go to Japan. Enough said on that.
Toyota is a foreign investor, and I am not sure where one truly expect the profits should go other than Japan or wherever their shareholders are. The bottom-line is that Toyota did not have to invest here in the US and use US parts, but they did. More importantly, they employ thousands of fellow Americans that could possibly out of work in today's economy - and for that I am very thankful. Furthermore, they're doing it with non-union employees (no offense). lightbulb
With a global economy you really can't look at a particular brand, be it Chevy or Ford or Chrysler or Toyota, or Mazda or on an on and say with certainty the vehicle was made in such and such place because all the automakers source componentry from all over the world now.
Globalization at its best!
Ford has Chinese Parts (I know that for a fact, we are a Ford family as in employee plan....), I'm sure all the other automakers do too. Honda sources components from US manufacturers. On the subject of Honda, I can say with prejudice that Honda has the most rigorous quality Control program of any manufacturer. I'm not at liberty to say how I know, but I do.
The last Ford I owned was in the early 1980s. For the exact reason you noted, I own a couple of Hondas.
Buying a vehicle, any vehicle is equal portions of utility and romance perpetrated by great advertising on the part of the manufacturers.
Very true, but the buyer has the ultimate decision and responsibility of their action(s).
My take on buying any brand of vehicle is that it's positively the absolute worst investement you can make because it's a depreciating investment, except in rare cases. Good guns appreciate, gold appreciates (we hope), houses used to appreciate and will again.... Automobiles don't and never have (excepting in rare instances) but the norm in they don't.
I absolutely agree!
I want the best bang for my buck number one and two, I want to pay cash or get '0' percent financing for the life of the loan. Other than that, I'll keep my beaters. They are paid for....with cash.
I too want the best bang for buck! When I was on shopping for my first truck ever, I wanted to be a US truck and considered the following: F-150, Chev/GMC 1500, Dodge Ram 1500, Nissan Titan, and Tundra. Did serious comparative analysis and came up with the Tundra hands down. Furthermore, got it $1500 below invoiced price and zero percent financing. All my other vehicles are paid for. My 93 Chev Suburban has served me very well throughout the years on many hunting adventures and travels but is on its last leg. I still take her on near/short hunts but no longer my primary means of transportation.
If it goes down the road, don't dig too big a hole in your pocket and don't burn excessive oil and is paid for, all is right with me. Pretty bodies belong on young blondes.
Sorry but not a big blonde fan!
You are right I don't see envy or hatred from you compared to what I have seen on other forums and I really appreciate the civil exchange of opinions.
Cheers!
Ed
SidecarFlip
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Like it says at the very top of this forum.......
Must wear red or OD green socks to participate. I can't see your socks, please be honest
That covers my input.
Besides, I haven't been on this site all that long but from what I've read on here and interactions with other posters (you know who you are......), the tone and the competence level as well as the overall intelligence in comments of this forum is much higher than most forums I've visited and didn't subscribe to just for that reason.
This site proves that one can carry on an intelligent discourse without subverting to nasty common ts or disparaging remarks.
Quite refreshing for me.
Must wear red or OD green socks to participate. I can't see your socks, please be honest
That covers my input.
Besides, I haven't been on this site all that long but from what I've read on here and interactions with other posters (you know who you are......
), the tone and the competence level as well as the overall intelligence in comments of this forum is much higher than most forums I've visited and didn't subscribe to just for that reason.This site proves that one can carry on an intelligent discourse without subverting to nasty common ts or disparaging remarks.
Quite refreshing for me.
SidecarFlip - I totally agree with you ... sorry no OD green or red socks ... just flip flops!
Ed
Ed
Trickymissfit
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just one comment, and I'll let it die:
* just walked thru my friendly Ford dealer and Chevy parking lot looking at half ton four wheel drives. I saw exactly one Ford truck that had a parts content of over 50%, and it was 53% (maybe 55%) with a sticker price of well over $50K. It was somekind of a special off road packaged truck, and was pretty neat. The Chevys were all right at 62% give or take two percent. Chevy called out their parts content as U.S. & Canadian. Anything Mexican or Asian was called out seperately. Ford lumped all North American content into one package, and called out the Asian content seperately (as well as European content). Now this is what was printed on the factory invoice by the manufacturer (U.S. law).
Further interesting was when I looked at Mustangs and Cameros. The Cameros showed alittle over 60% U.S. & Canadian content (there were a couple that were just under 70%). Looking at the Mustangs (mostly 5.0's) I saw that virtually all were right at 50% North American content (they include Mexico). The standard models were all in the low 40% range. I saw a couple Focus's that were in the mid 20% group I might add.
So how does the above compair with what I'm driving? My 2005 truck (4 wheel drive with the eight cylinder engine) has an invoice of 93% (I still have it tucked away). My Malibu (2009) is 80%. A new Malibu is in the low 60% range these days. And we wonder why 3,000,000 men and women are out of work these days!
gary
Trickymissfit
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Tundras are assembled in Princeton Indiana just a little north of Evansville. I've been inside their plant a couple times, and saw lots and lots of Asian cardboard shipping boxes (you can tell right away by the color). I've also been inside two Ford componet planets, and saw the samething. I came out of a componet plant ( drive trane parts for heavy duty trucks and off road equipment that does business with everybody out there), and we rarely used any parts from Asia. But did get a few things out of Europe that could not be manufactured over here due to copyrights. Honda as a rule is the highest content producer of the non domestic manufacturers in this country, and should be applauded for their efforts. I think Toyota is on the right track, and look for them to increase U.S. content as time goes by. Interestingly I have also been inside CAT and Cummins more than once, and Cummins must be way up there. Cat was using some Asian sourced parts in the assemblies, and now are moving all their engine work to China.
gary
Trickymissfit
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I don't hate them, but wish they'd restyle them! Of course some folks think they are pretty, and looks are in the eye of the beholder.
gary
Gary,
That's nice to know, thanks!
The assembly of Tundra at Princeton, IN ended in 2009 and they are now being assembled in San Antonio, TX.
L
L! The funny thing is that the body style are very similar to the other competitor trucks, yet others still look at them as ugly. I posted the pix below on a different forum and someone still commented as such because the brand on the side does not say the one they are loyal to. 
Cheers!
Ed
winmag
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WARNING, EXTREMELY OPINIONATED CONTENT BELOW!!
--NO PART OF MY VERY OPINIONATED POST IS BASED ON SCIENCE, OR STATS.
MY OPINION IS MY OWN, & BASED SOELY ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH MY OWN VEHICLES.
So, before anyone flies off the handle, I will fully admit that your opinion may differ 100% from my own, & you are entitled to think your as right as I think I am.....
Here goes the can of worms...
FEENIX,
I love ya man, & I sincerely hope you have better luck than I did, & that you enjoy your rig for many problemb free years to come. This post is NOT directed at you personally, so please don't take it that way. Rather its a reflection of my very bias, & opinionated, & very close minded view that I do not intend to change. (i don't expect to convert anyone to my opinion either for that matter).
99% of the time I'm in agreement with your posts FEENIX, but there's no way in heck I will ever own another foreign vehicle especially with a Toyota emblemb on it. Maybe id make an exception for a German, or Italian made vehicle or two, but for the most part, if it wasn't part of the "Muscle Car era" big 3 companys, I won't look twice at it. ( drives my wife nutts) Those were AMERICAN cars, & I only buy from Chevy/GM, Ford, & Jeep/ Dodge cause I'm a sentimental, stubborn ol die-hard that has only had 1 foreign rig. An 88' Toyota pickup with a 2.2 RE, that I went thru 3 motors in under 30k miles ttl! & I won't ever go down that road again. No American vehicle I've ever owned came close to that amount of frusteration or dissapointment. Lesson learned.
I absolutely refuse to let a Toyota park in my driveway
Call it extreme foreign car product predjudice, or absolute hatred, or an extremely stubborn individual who simply isn't interested in any foreign car rhetoric, or whatever you will, but that's where Toyota sits on my list, as well as Honda, Hunday, Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, (Scion, KIA-...Korean??). Whatever, its foreign.
I'm SOOO horribly stubborn, that I even refused to cheer for Kasey Kahne last year because he was driving the RedBull Toyota. I know Kasey, & much of his family. I even know, & agree with why he drove a Toyota, but like I said, I'm a sentimental, stubborn, diehard. Kyle Busch & Toyota go hand in hand imo. Ban them both from NASCAR, & the world would be a better place.
BTW Daytona is less than a month away!!!!!!!! & heck ya I'm cheering for Kasey again this year!
Ok, where was I in my over opinionated rant...... Oh ya...
Not a chance of a foreign car in my house. If I'm paying for it, the $ I spend is comming back home to the US companys. While I am "in the trades" (construction) I'm not even a Union guy, so my opinion isn't swayed by that. If the union boys wanna strike thier way right out of a job, fine. No wonder so many companys assemble overseas. I wish the big 3 would find a way to compromise with them, so we could have some TRULY ALL AMERICAN MADE rigs again, built right here at home with pride, but when you bite the hand that feeds you, you end up starving. Still, in the end, I still support the big 3, not Japan. I refer to my opinion as "stubbornly patriotic" even if for the wrong reasons
On the other hand, I do commend you for choosing Toyota, vs any number of other Japaneese, Korean, German, or Italian companys, because, as you said, some American folks do draw thier paychecks from there, & my hat is off to you for that.
Ok you can shoot my arguement full of holes, but its my own opinionated arguement, & even I don't take myself too seriously.
--NO PART OF MY VERY OPINIONATED POST IS BASED ON SCIENCE, OR STATS.
MY OPINION IS MY OWN, & BASED SOELY ON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH MY OWN VEHICLES.
So, before anyone flies off the handle, I will fully admit that your opinion may differ 100% from my own, & you are entitled to think your as right as I think I am
.....Here goes the can of worms...
FEENIX,
I love ya man, & I sincerely hope you have better luck than I did, & that you enjoy your rig for many problemb free years to come. This post is NOT directed at you personally, so please don't take it that way. Rather its a reflection of my very bias, & opinionated, & very close minded view that I do not intend to change. (i don't expect to convert anyone to my opinion either for that matter).
99% of the time I'm in agreement with your posts FEENIX, but there's no way in heck I will ever own another foreign vehicle especially with a Toyota emblemb on it. Maybe id make an exception for a German, or Italian made vehicle or two, but for the most part, if it wasn't part of the "Muscle Car era" big 3 companys, I won't look twice at it. ( drives my wife nutts
) Those were AMERICAN cars, & I only buy from Chevy/GM, Ford, & Jeep/ Dodge cause I'm a sentimental, stubborn ol die-hard that has only had 1 foreign rig. An 88' Toyota pickup with a 2.2 RE, that I went thru 3 motors in under 30k miles ttl! & I won't ever go down that road again. No American vehicle I've ever owned came close to that amount of frusteration or dissapointment. Lesson learned.I absolutely refuse to let a Toyota park in my driveway
Call it extreme foreign car product predjudice, or absolute hatred, or an extremely stubborn individual who simply isn't interested in any foreign car rhetoric, or whatever you will, but that's where Toyota sits on my list, as well as Honda, Hunday, Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, (Scion, KIA-...Korean??). Whatever, its foreign.
I'm SOOO horribly stubborn, that I even refused to cheer for Kasey Kahne last year because he was driving the RedBull Toyota. I know Kasey, & much of his family. I even know, & agree with why he drove a Toyota, but like I said, I'm a sentimental, stubborn, diehard. Kyle Busch & Toyota go hand in hand imo. Ban them both from NASCAR, & the world would be a better place.
BTW Daytona is less than a month away!!!!!!!! & heck ya I'm cheering for Kasey again this year!
Ok, where was I in my over opinionated rant...
... Oh ya...Not a chance of a foreign car in my house. If I'm paying for it, the $ I spend is comming back home to the US companys. While I am "in the trades" (construction) I'm not even a Union guy, so my opinion isn't swayed by that. If the union boys wanna strike thier way right out of a job, fine. No wonder so many companys assemble overseas. I wish the big 3 would find a way to compromise with them, so we could have some TRULY ALL AMERICAN MADE rigs again, built right here at home with pride, but when you bite the hand that feeds you, you end up starving. Still, in the end, I still support the big 3, not Japan. I refer to my opinion as "stubbornly patriotic" even if for the wrong reasons
On the other hand, I do commend you for choosing Toyota, vs any number of other Japaneese, Korean, German, or Italian companys, because, as you said, some American folks do draw thier paychecks from there, & my hat is off to you for that.
Ok you can shoot my arguement full of holes, but its my own opinionated arguement, & even I don't take myself too seriously.
