Hotrod 22 and 6mm calibers

[436]

SealTeam4,
I'd have to say if you couldn't get what you want from the 22-50 AI or the .220 Swift AI and/or cartridge similar you're probably so far overbore that it doesn't matter anymore, in .22 cal... 6mm well there's a lot of room to move around there.

 

[ntsqd]

Until someone necks a .50 BMG down there's really only one contender for a .22 hot-rod, the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer!

 

[J E Custom]

Just another cartridge that Is cheep and lots of fun that does a great job at reasonable ranges on varmints. The 223 AI. Improving it adds about 100 to 140 ft/sec to the standard 223 Rem. the 223 can propell a 40 Grain bullet at 3650 ft/sec The AI version can up that to almost 3800 ft/sec. And with the 30 grain bullets it can easily reach 4,000 ft/sec. (Not bad for the little cartridge)

Ammo availability is almost unlimited and Lupua makes the 223 cases that fire form with ease. Varmints don't require the heavy bullets and the light bullets are fast and flat
and are devastating to all varmints.

I even built a muzzle brake for mine that makes it extremely easy to make follow up shots on running game after the first shots.

J E CUSTOM

 

[B23]

@Naymola good advice. Never really played with the 20's and slow twist 22's. My boys are starting to get to that age where something like that will be valuable.

As far as intentions I need something suitable for taking everything from Fox to deer. Right now I'm leaning towards something off the 6.5x47L case or 6.5x284 case. Barrel life is not a concern

The hot rod 20's like the 20-250 are pretty fun. My 20-250 has an 8tw so I shoot the 55gr Bergers in it. Not sure anything lighter would survive the RPM's in my barrel though.

In all honesty, any kind of "improved" variation off of the 6.5x47 is basically going to equal and be about the same thing as something off of the Creedmoor case so unless you just want to add cost and extra work for yourself, not sure there is anything to be gained there.

I think you can definitely get to a point of to much of a good thing and cartridges become so overbore that unless you are running extremely long barrels, they're at a point of diminishing return. As well as extreme overbore leads to other complications too.

I'm obviously partial to the 6-284 because I have one, but for a wildcat hot rod cartridge that "checks" just about all of the boxes, the 6-284 is hard to beat.

Also, be aware you'll hear all kinds of crazy velocity numbers thrown around about how there this or that shoots these blazing fast speeds with substantially less case capacity/powder and I don't doubt some get those crazy fast speeds, but they're also doing so with crazy pressures too. You can't hot rod the bejeezus out of one cartridge and not the other, then crow about how much faster it shoots.

 

[comen]

I'm searching for some ideas for a new killing machine. Possibilities include 22-6x284, 6x284, 6x47L Imp., 22x47L Imp, 22bra, etc... What are some other calibers to look at? I am only interested in cartridges that can utilize quality brass like lapua, alpha, adg, and Peterson. Thanks in advance

Joe S

what about the .22-6mm? standard dies from Hornady, Lapua makes 8x57 mauser, which is the ultimate parent case. everybody in the non-premium world makes 7x57, 257 Bob, 6mm rem. If you neck turn you can thin the necks on RWS 5.56X57. I run mine with a slow twist short throat barrel for the 52 gr Speer with the giant hollow point. The low BC bullet poops out after 400 yards but gophers, P dogs and coyotes expire nicely, and I've head shot snowshoes and jacks for the stewpot. Most people run a fast twist, like the old .224 Clark, or the Texas Trophy Hunter, for heavy bullets

 

[SealT5]

I never said any of the cartridges will not give me what I want. I just want to do something different this time around.

I just finished shooting 22 Dasher shooting the 80.5 Berger at about 3250. Absolutely devastating on everything I've shot with it. Before that I shot a 16.5" 6.5x47L. It was a very good setup.

The 6.5x47L case is hard to beat and tough as they come. I will never shoot a creedmoor variant

SealTeam4,
I'd have to say if you couldn't get what you want from the 22-50 AI or the .220 Swift AI and/or cartridge similar you're probably so far overbore that it doesn't matter anymore, in .22 cal... 6mm well there's a lot of room to move around there.

 

[SealT5]

I've yet to build a slow twist 6mm. A 6x284 is high on the list. I know my smith has a reamer for it

The hot rod 20's like the 20-250 are pretty fun. My 20-250 has an 8tw so I shoot the 55gr Bergers in it. Not sure anything lighter would survive the RPM's in my barrel though.

In all honesty, any kind of "improved" variation off of the 6.5x47 is basically going to equal and be about the same thing as something off of the Creedmoor case so unless you just want to add cost and extra work for yourself, not sure there is anything to be gained there.

I think you can definitely get to a point of to much of a good thing and cartridges become so overbore that unless you are running extremely long barrels, they're at a point of diminishing return. As well as extreme overbore leads to other complications too.

I'm obviously partial to the 6-284 because I have one, but for a wildcat hot rod cartridge that "checks" just about all of the boxes, the 6-284 is hard to beat.

Also, be aware you'll hear all kinds of crazy velocity numbers thrown around about how there this or that shoots these blazing fast speeds with substantially less case capacity/powder and I don't doubt some get those crazy fast speeds, but they're also doing so with crazy pressures too. You can't hot rod the bejeezus out of one cartridge and not the other, then crow about how much faster it shoots.

 

[436]

I never said any of the cartridges will not give me what I want. I just want to do something different this time around.

I just finished shooting 22 Dasher shooting the 80.5 Berger at about 3250. Absolutely devastating on everything I've shot with it. Before that I shot a 16.5" 6.5x47L. It was a very good setup.

The 6.5x47L case is hard to beat and tough as they come. I will never shoot a creedmoor variant

Fair enough, understand, you ever thought about the 6XC or the 243 WSSM each I've used with great success in 6mm with 115gr projectiles, the 6XC with 70gr'ers is a Yotes nightmare
As too the .22 Dasher, it's a very good cartridge. Perhaps you might check out the .22 CHeetah with it vel's at 4100 fps with a 50gr bullet. I think the CHeeta case "might" be a little more efficient than the Dasher, or not, might be who one talks too. Good luck..Cheers.

 

[SealT5]

A local smith has a 22 wildcat based off the XC. Apparently it's a hammer!

Fair enough, understand, you ever thought about the 6XC or the 243 WSSM each I've used with great success in 6mm with 115gr projectiles, the 6XC with 70gr'ers is a Yotes nightmare
As too the .22 Dasher, it's a very good cartridge. Perhaps you might check out the .22 CHeetah with it vel's at 4100 fps with a 50gr bullet. I think the CHeeta case "might" be a little more efficient than the Dasher, or not, might be who one talks too. Good luck..Cheers.

 

[Oldbtl]

1. 224 Clark. I'm new here but I'm an old shooter. Built the Clark in the early 70s. When the wind comes up put the 55 grains up and shoot the Clark 80 grain. Still have 2 rifles in the Clark caliber and the reamer. Hotrod old school

 

[436]

1. 224 Clark. I'm new here but I'm an old shooter. Built the Clark in the early 70s. When the wind comes up put the 55 grains up and shoot the Clark 80 grain. Still have 2 rifles in the Clark caliber and the reamer. Hotrod old school

Oldbtl,
First, welcome you are among friends!
Yeah, the .224 Clark was a going concern in the '70s very good wildcat as I recall,
actually, it still is.

 

[N8iV Warrior]

Just get yourself a 240 Weatherby and lots of cases to reload, that's what I do!

 

[436]

A local smith has a 22 wildcat based off the XC. Apparently it's a hammer!

I've spoken many times on the range with G David Tubb about that cartridge, his cartridge, it's one of the reasons I started shooting it for M700 LR match rifle and my Weatherby hunting rifle in the 6XC cartridge, especially fun in my Weatherby Mark V Varmintmaster which was in .22 250 Rem... I had re-barreled to the 6XC for Deer, its a heck of a Deer and Yote combo, super light walkabout rifle, plenty of barrels, and deadly accurate with anything I put in it.

 

[436]

Just get yourself a 240 Weatherby and lots of cases to reload, that's what I do!

Sure isn't anything wrong with the .240 Wby Mag, or the 6mm-06 for that matter.