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Which 6.5? 6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Rem., 6.5x284 etc...

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Been searching and racking my brain, search after search trying to determine which 6.5 for my next gun.

Think I'm leaning more towards the 6.5 Creedmoor, maybe 260Rem.

Going to probably get a production gun in the available caliber. Want a decent diameter contour barrel in a 26", but will settle for a 24" if I have to but no shorter. Eventually I will have it re-barreled and restocked if the factory gun doesn't come with a decent B&C or HS with pillars and bedding.

-Will be used for hunting and targets, both long range
-Considered 6.5Win Mag and 6.5x284 but a bit worried about barrel life
-Would be happy with a bit more fps but not so much at the cost of a barrel burner, just the best all around option.
-Brass availability
-Will be shooting 140Amax Bullets

Looking at the Savage LRH, Ruger M77, Model 70 X, Browning A-bolt but limited runs with longer barrels and a few others but want a synthetic stock, not wood.

Would like thoughts on chambers and rifle opinions or best options.
 
I chose a Ruger hawkeye predator in a 6.5 Creedmoor and thats a choice ill never regret. It has a varmint contour barrel weighs about 9 lbs so its not too heavy. Im very consistent at 1/2 moa occasionally hitting 1/4 moa. I chose the Creed over the 260 because it has a shorter case which give me more room to play with my bullet length while still fitting in the magazine. Even though it has a shorter case it really isnt slower than the 260. Im getting a 140 a-max out at 2900 fps with no signs of pressure. Thats with a 24in barrel. As far as brass goes the 260 is probably more available as far as the good stuff goes. Nosler and Norma are both producing brass for the 6.5 creed just gotta find it. Hornady brass isnt a problem finding. Either one will work fine but i prefer the Creedmoor over the 260 just for the reason i mentioned earlier. Its a really fun gun to shoot. Very light recoil and extremely accurate.
 
Been searching and racking my brain, search after search trying to determine which 6.5 for my next gun.

Think I'm leaning more towards the 6.5 Creedmoor, maybe 260Rem.

Going to probably get a production gun in the available caliber. Want a decent diameter contour barrel in a 26", but will settle for a 24" if I have to but no shorter. Eventually I will have it re-barreled and restocked if the factory gun doesn't come with a decent B&C or HS with pillars and bedding.

-Will be used for hunting and targets, both long range
-Considered 6.5Win Mag and 6.5x284 but a bit worried about barrel life
-Would be happy with a bit more fps but not so much at the cost of a barrel burner, just the best all around option.
-Brass availability
-Will be shooting 140Amax Bullets

Looking at the Savage LRH, Ruger M77, Model 70 X, Browning A-bolt but limited runs with longer barrels and a few others but want a synthetic stock, not wood.

Would like thoughts on chambers and rifle opinions or best options.
I have a 260 Rem in an LR-260 AR platform that is just a dream to shoot but a pain to pack since I went with a 26" full bull barrel.

The round itself is just fantastic.

There is ballistically no real difference in it and the 6.5 CM but the 260 edges it a bit for for velocity.

With wanting to go with a nice factory rig if you wanted something really special if it were me I'd suggest a Winchester All Weather Stainless in 264wm. Unless you're shooting in pretty high volume barrel life is not an issue.

I have the Rem 700 CDL SFII in .264wm and I did bed and float it right after I got it and it's truly a wonderful gun to shoot but a little too pretty for me to carry HA!

They made a limited run of them in .260 Rem and you will find them on GunBroker occasionally. You can probably get one from the Rem Custom Shop with little or no trouble as well.

The 6.5x284 gives you performance midway between the .260 Rem and .264wm and it is a caliber that has been extremely popular with LR shooters for many years.

Lots of great options in the 6.5's available.
 
A lot of info in this thread.
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/looking-6-5-cartridge-139182/

If you go with a Savage 111(long action) as opposed to the 11(short action) you don't have to worry about seating length and you can easily rebarrel it yourself to another long action caliber later if you choose, also can swap bolt faces. I'm turning a 111 30-06 into a LA 243Win to shoot the 115 grain bullets mag fed. Really simple and now I don't have to single feed it.
 
Thanks for the responses so far. I didn't find that link to the other 6.5 thread initially but figured there were plenty on here. In fact when I searched "6.5" or "260" or others It just came up blank.?

Creedmoor, what is your COAL? How far are you off the lands? That is one reason I was considering the Creedmoor is so I could run my bullets long and still fit into magazine. Wasn't sure how much room I'd have on the .260 or 6.5x284?

I plan on shooting this one a lot so I'd like the barrel to last. The extra fps of the 284 is intriguing but want barrel to last, especially with a match barrel. Also like the fact of less powder.
 
A few years ago, I started playing with 6.5mm cartridges and rifles. I have experience with the 6.5x55, 6.5-284, and .264 Win Mag. Based on my experimentation, here are my conclusions:

I consider the 6.5x55 to be the king of the smaller cased 6.5's. It is my favorite 6.5 for all-around use. The other smaller cased 6.5's (.260, Creedmoor, 6.5x47, etc.) are all basically designed to get 6.5x55ish performance from a short action, which, IMO, is about the only practical reason to consider any of them over the 6.5x55. Since I am not one who favors short actions, I prefer the Swede. Loaded to its potential in a modern action, the ol' Swede will outperform all of them (while giving the much hyped 6.5-284 a run for its money, but more on that later). Lapua brass for the 6.5x55 is available and at half the price vs .260 Rem, 6.5-284, or 6.5x47.

The 6.5-284 is a nice cartridge that has all of the inherent virtues of the 6.5's. It is mild to shoot, easy to tune, has high quality components available, and is reasonably fast and flat shooting. I went to the 6.5-284 in a quest for a fast 6.5mm. In that role, I found it to be underwhelming. Even using Lapua brass, the rebated rim cartridge design has the un-nerving tendency to show pressure signs early. Shot side-by-side with a modern actioned 6.5x55, there was about a palm width difference in trajectory out to 600 yards and no detectable difference in inherent accuracy. Not enough to justify the step up, IMO.

To be fair, I think the story MIGHT have been a little different if I had paid more attention to throat length when it was being built. I specified 6.5-284 Norma, but the OAL to the lands of 3.092" with VLD's tells me the chamber reamer was probably a 6.5-284 Winchester spec reamer, which probably cost me some useable case capacity vs the 3.228" spec of the Norma version. THAT is something worth paying close attention to for anyone considering a 6.5-284. The 6.5-284 is a GOOD cartridge. It just wasn't what I was after. I didn't feel it did anything that couldn't be done just as well (and at less expense) with a comparable 6.5x55.

Then came Winchester's re-introduction of the Model 70 in .264 Win Mag. I HAD to have one and paid a premium to get my hands on one of the first few to be available. It was worth EVERY penny, IMO. Had this rifle been available earlier, I would never have built my 6.5-284. It was everything I was looking for in a fast 6.5 for the hunting fields. I had no trouble getting speed AND accuracy from this setup. The .264 responds well to being downloaded to 6.5x55 velocity (which I did for a hunt in the Kentucky woods), while having enough throttle to approach 3200 fps accurately with 140 grain bullets and Retumbo or RL-33.

The .264 heats barrels quickly and is obviously not a good choice for high volume or casual target shooting. As a pure hunting cartridge, it is by far my favorite 6.5. It is such a pleasure to shoot, though, that one has to resist the temptation to plink with it. IMO, if you plan to own a .264 Win Mag class rifle, it is a good idea to also own a smaller cased 6.5 for more general use.

If you are going for a factory 6.5, I believe a Ruger in 6.5 Creedmoor is a good option. Because I prefer the 6.5x55, though, I believe the Tikka T3 Varmint might be a better option. I don't personally have experience with the Tikkas, but they seem to have an excellent reputation for accuracy out-of-the-box. They come from the factory with an 8 twist (a lot of factory 6.5's have 9 twist barrels), which makes them able to handle all of the best 6.5 bullets made. Put a good scope on it, feed it Lapua brass and good bullets, and I don't believe you will need to do anything else to the rifle.

My Winchester Model 70 in .264 Win Mag is among my favorite rifles. If you go the Model 70 route, and want something other than walnut and blued metal, I recommend you go with the most basic model you can, put a barrel on order from the maker of your choice, and order up the stock you want, too. Then, shoot the heck out of it in factory form and enjoy yourself while you wait. When your aftermarket parts arrive, send it all to a good gunsmith to be put together, making sure to tell your smith you want your new barrel Melonited. The Model 70/semi-custom route will be more expensive, but the result will be very worthwhile and will last a long time if you don't give in to the temptation to plink or shoot varmints with it.
 
A few years ago, I started playing with 6.5mm cartridges and rifles. I have experience with the 6.5x55, 6.5-284, and .264 Win Mag. Based on my experimentation, here are my conclusions:

I consider the 6.5x55 to be the king of the smaller cased 6.5's. It is my favorite 6.5 for all-around use. The other smaller cased 6.5's (.260, Creedmoor, 6.5x47, etc.) are all basically designed to get 6.5x55ish performance from a short action, which, IMO, is about the only practical reason to consider any of them over the 6.5x55. Since I am not one who favors short actions, I prefer the Swede. Loaded to its potential in a modern action, the ol' Swede will outperform all of them (while giving the much hyped 6.5-284 a run for its money, but more on that later). Lapua brass for the 6.5x55 is available and at half the price vs .260 Rem, 6.5-284, or 6.5x47.

The 6.5-284 is a nice cartridge that has all of the inherent virtues of the 6.5's. It is mild to shoot, easy to tune, has high quality components available, and is reasonably fast and flat shooting. I went to the 6.5-284 in a quest for a fast 6.5mm. In that role, I found it to be underwhelming. Even using Lapua brass, the rebated rim cartridge design has the un-nerving tendency to show pressure signs early. Shot side-by-side with a modern actioned 6.5x55, there was about a palm width difference in trajectory out to 600 yards and no detectable difference in inherent accuracy. Not enough to justify the step up, IMO.

To be fair, I think the story MIGHT have been a little different if I had paid more attention to throat length when it was being built. I specified 6.5-284 Norma, but the OAL to the lands of 3.092" with VLD's tells me the chamber reamer was probably a 6.5-284 Winchester spec reamer, which probably cost me some useable case capacity vs the 3.228" spec of the Norma version. THAT is something worth paying close attention to for anyone considering a 6.5-284. The 6.5-284 is a GOOD cartridge. It just wasn't what I was after. I didn't feel it did anything that couldn't be done just as well (and at less expense) with a comparable 6.5x55.

Then came Winchester's re-introduction of the Model 70 in .264 Win Mag. I HAD to have one and paid a premium to get my hands on one of the first few to be available. It was worth EVERY penny, IMO. Had this rifle been available earlier, I would never have built my 6.5-284. It was everything I was looking for in a fast 6.5 for the hunting fields. I had no trouble getting speed AND accuracy from this setup. The .264 responds well to being downloaded to 6.5x55 velocity (which I did for a hunt in the Kentucky woods), while having enough throttle to approach 3200 fps accurately with 140 grain bullets and Retumbo or RL-33.

The .264 heats barrels quickly and is obviously not a good choice for high volume or casual target shooting. As a pure hunting cartridge, it is by far my favorite 6.5. It is such a pleasure to shoot, though, that one has to resist the temptation to plink with it. IMO, if you plan to own a .264 Win Mag class rifle, it is a good idea to also own a smaller cased 6.5 for more general use.

If you are going for a factory 6.5, I believe a Ruger in 6.5 Creedmoor is a good option. Because I prefer the 6.5x55, though, I believe the Tikka T3 Varmint might be a better option. I don't personally have experience with the Tikkas, but they seem to have an excellent reputation for accuracy out-of-the-box. They come from the factory with an 8 twist (a lot of factory 6.5's have 9 twist barrels), which makes them able to handle all of the best 6.5 bullets made. Put a good scope on it, feed it Lapua brass and good bullets, and I don't believe you will need to do anything else to the rifle.

My Winchester Model 70 in .264 Win Mag is among my favorite rifles. If you go the Model 70 route, and want something other than walnut and blued metal, I recommend you go with the most basic model you can, put a barrel on order from the maker of your choice, and order up the stock you want, too. Then, shoot the heck out of it in factory form and enjoy yourself while you wait. When your aftermarket parts arrive, send it all to a good gunsmith to be put together, making sure to tell your smith you want your new barrel Melonited. The Model 70/semi-custom route will be more expensive, but the result will be very worthwhile and will last a long time if you don't give in to the temptation to plink or shoot varmints with it.

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WILDROSE:
I think I need some help on this….. He's speaking over my intellect… Call me when you get a some time
Merry Xmas to all!!!!!
You should have just called me man, I was on the road delivering dogs all afternoon.

Give me a shout tomorrow afternoon when you get through playing Santa.

Give everyone our best wishes and a Merry Christmas!
 
Thanks for the responses so far. I didn't find that link to the other 6.5 thread initially but figured there were plenty on here. In fact when I searched "6.5" or "260" or others It just came up blank.?

Creedmoor, what is your COAL? How far are you off the lands? That is one reason I was considering the Creedmoor is so I could run my bullets long and still fit into magazine. Wasn't sure how much room I'd have on the .260 or 6.5x284?

I plan on shooting this one a lot so I'd like the barrel to last. The extra fps of the 284 is intriguing but want barrel to last, especially with a match barrel. Also like the fact of less powder.

Im running 3.215 to the ogive and thats just barely off the lands and it still fits in my magazine. I can jam it into the lands and still have it fit in the mag. If u you plan on shooting alot then id stay Creedmoor. Its going to give you better barrel life and that little bit of velocity wont matter much. If you plan on doing hunting with it past 1000 yards then id probably suggest the 6.5-284 just for that extra energy on the animal.
 
Accuracy: There is nothing between them. 260, 6.5cm, 6.5x47L, 6.5x284, .264, 6.5x06

With an 8tw barrel all will shoot 140 A-Max.

Throat length is something to pay attention to. Factory rifles are what they are.

Factory: Savage 11/111 or 16/116 in 6.5CM or 6.5x284 or Ruger Preditor.

Or

Roll your own.
 
I have a Ruger short action that I had re-barreled by ER Shaw in 6.5 Creedmoor, and get 2740 with 140VLDs. I have a Savage 111 that was re-barreled by EABCO in 6.5/284Norma, and settled on 2875 with the same bullet, using H4831sc as the best accuracy load, but I did see 3050 with Retumbo. If I was looking for a "one-gun" setup the savage would allow me to either replace barrels when burned out or keep a "hunter" barrel in 6.5/284 at full speed, then swap to 6.5Creed for the rest of the year for extended life.
 
Benchracer- A lot of great info thank you. I saw that Tikka made a 6.5x55 but their non magnum barrels are only 22" long, but want one 24-26".

Probably leaning towards the Ruger Hawkeye, Savage 10/110 Predator or 11/111 LRH since they seem to be the most available.

Still up in the air about caliber but as everyone confirmed the 6.5CM or maybe 260Rem for more and leisure shooting that I intend to do with it. Will use for Mule deer and smaller probably not more than 700 yards. For elk, and bear at 700+ I have my custom 7Wsm shooting 180's or 7Mag.
 
Benchracer- A lot of great info thank you. I saw that Tikka made a 6.5x55 but their non magnum barrels are only 22" long, but want one 24-26".

The Tikkas have 23 3/4" barrels, so pretty close to 24". I have 26" barrels on all of my 6.5's, but you won't lose much from a 24" barrel with the smaller cartridge cases.
 
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