run and gun

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by 308jagermeister, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. 308jagermeister

    308jagermeister Active Member

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    I do alot of walking and bino looking. I usually dont have time to set up and dial in a scope resting on a pod. never even tried it. I would like to get some real world opinions on a good flat traggetory round good out to about 600yrds. Something I could use a standard crosshair scope point and shoot type weapon.. is the 6.5 284 the answer.. hunting deer and smaller..
     
  2. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    I will admit my knowledge base is a little behind alot of the guys here but I will venture to say that round does not exsist.

    Have you considered a rangefinder and a scope with a bdc no dialing involved. I run a Hours Vision Hawk on my 300 wsm no dialing needed just range, select aming poing from range card and shoot. If you buy a set of binos with a rangefinder incorporated into its design you kill 2 birds.

    Jon
     
  3. 308jagermeister

    308jagermeister Active Member

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    Thanks for the reply, I use a rangefinder but had considerable trouble with my 308 on last yrs hunt, most of the deer I ranged were 450-525yrds hunting the prairie. I know there no such thing as a be all do all, but I dont want to spend over a grand on new gun based on ballistic chart info. Guess I will search past threads more and see what I can find.. maybe I should get a better scope and learn how to use it like you say..
     
  4. MTBULLET

    MTBULLET Well-Known Member

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    a good range finder and zeiss with z 600 reticle and your .308 is more than able to reliably take deer at 600 yds., and practice a lot.
     
  5. kcebcj

    kcebcj Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there is any rifle within reason that will do what you want. If I understand you correctly you want a rifle that will keep the bullet within a 10 inch kill zone let's say from the muzzle out to 600 yards so you can point and shoot with no adjustment at all? If you find something like that please post back as I would love to have one. :)
     
  6. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

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    JAger- "i don't want to spend over a grand based on balistic chart info" ? don't understand that? what 308 do you have? scope? deer "size " ? the whitetailes here weigh 60 pound the ones in sask weigh 350 and cost 7k to hunt. where are you hunting? do you reload? what do your 500 and 600 yard groups look like. i like the 6.5-284 , accurate and deadly. i shoot over 1000 rounds out mt two each year. if i did not dial up my groups would not be very good at all. "run and gun" - for me a 500 or 600 yard shot takes a seriously steady rest. try a 10 shot group at 300, 400 , 500 and 600. educational. if you reveiw some of my posts they will say Most questions ( here on LR) can be aswered by sendero 7mm and leup 6.5-20. a 6.5-284 sendero( krieger) is another great one .. roninflag
     
  7. Topgun 30-06

    Topgun 30-06 Well-Known Member

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    kcebcj---That's what I took the post to mean also and I thought to myself your exact comment!!! It's people that want the easy way out with a wing and a prayer that make a lot of ones that have the proper equipment and practice a lot have bad things said about long distance shooting! If a person isn't using one darn good rest, they should not be shooting at any real distance no matter how flat the rifle shoots!!!
     
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  8. 308jagermeister

    308jagermeister Active Member

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    not trying to split hairs with this thread..

    I have a good set of sticks and 200lb deer +-50lbs

    I want advice from experienced long range hunters. Is a lightweight flat shooter out to 600yrds not possible? no I'm not expecting the unicorn round that shoots 10" kill zone from 100-600yrds with no holdover...
     
  9. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    no need for a new gun brother. A horus Hawk cost about 500$ it comes with the software for your computer. Enter your hand load info or factory load info and it will print the chart. Tape it to your stock and go hunting.

    Add a set of shooting sticks and some good practice and your not going to have any issues
     
  10. 308jagermeister

    308jagermeister Active Member

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    thanks for weapon suggestion roninflag
     
  11. Scot E

    Scot E Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion your search should be for a proper scope setup, with a ranging reticle that will allow you to accomplish your desired goals. Then the cartridge part pretty much takes care of itself as you can use whatever you want.

    The 5-600 yard range is the correct distance to be looking at for quick "point and shoot" style of hunting as one has to worry very little about atmospheric conditions or angle to target making enough difference to cause large changes in POI.

    If I were you I would look at finding a good ranging reticle and get it dialed in to your rifle/load combo and you are good to go. I would suggest looking at a fixed subtension reticle, ie a 1/2 MIL hash or 2 MOA style reticle as your choice. There are BDC style reticles, ie reticles that are designed to estimate bullet drop in increments of 50-100 yards, that will work but they are not nearly as inutitivue and are dependant on a specific ballistic profile whereas the fixed subtension reticles can be used much easier with any load or rifle.

    Good Luck!
     
  12. 308jagermeister

    308jagermeister Active Member

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    thanks I will def look into one..
     
  13. 308jagermeister

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    Thanks Scot, thats good advice
     
  14. sp6x6

    sp6x6 Well-Known Member

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    All good advise, my friend shoots a 300-338 LIMP,177 gs @3680 velocity. Dont know his drops, but that has to be about as flat shooting as it getsgun)