Questions about building a 1000 yard gun

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  1. riflem1

    riflem1 New Member

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    My local club is going to build a 1000 yard range and I want to build a rifle to do that. I would use it for target shooting up to 1000 and under 300 yard deer hunting.

    I am thinking a Thompson Center Venture Weathershield .30-06. I would free float it and bed the recoils lug and add a bipod.

    Top it off with this scope. Nikon Buckmasters Rifle Scope 6-18x 40mm Side Focus Mil-Dot Reticle

    I have a limit of $1000. Will this work for a 1000? What bipod should I use? Thoughts?
     
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  2. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    Go pick up a Remington 700 Varmint (26" bull barrel) in .308 Win. Swap the stock with an HS Precision short-action Sendero/VSSF stock for about $250-300. Then buy an old style Remington trigger for $35-50. And free-float the barrel and bed the action. Then pick up an EGW HD 20 MOA base, and some TPS TSR aluminum rings.

    There's your $1000 for the 1K rifle. Then all you have to do is buy the scope of your choice.

    You'll probably want to up your limit to around $1,500-2,000 and your glass and rifle options can both improve alot over the Nikon Buckmaster and the T/C rifle...

    Personally I wouldn't go with either of those items you listed.

    To shoot 1K consistantly and accurately, you're gonna have to shuck out the money for a good rifle, scope, and mounting setup.
     
  3. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    I agree with mudrunner on caliber. I however would look for a savage mod12 of some type used. If you can find a 112 in 06 go for it. I think you'll find that the 07 will be a little to punishing for sustained target shooting. Now since your max hunting distance is only 300yds, you may wan consider a Creedmoor or a 260 Remington. Just a thought. Definitely support the EGW base. The Nikon is a good scope. I like it quite a bit. Take a look at the vortex viper 6.5-20x44. I am a huge vortex optics fan. The vortex will give you more elevation adjustment than the Nikon. You might struggle to get enough elevation depending on your ammo for 1000yds with the Nikon.
     
  4. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    Any model 10 savage also.
     
  5. riflem1

    riflem1 New Member

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    I want to stick with .30-06. I have other guns in .30-06 so I have ammo. .30-06 is available at my local stores. I would prefer to .308.
     
  6. liltank

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    Then look for a 110 or 112 Savage in 30-06 with the accutrigger. If you can find an older 111 or 114, it wouldn't be hard to rebarrel on your own. You could order a prefit barrel from Benchmark. Bell & Carlson or H-S would be good aftermarket stocks to use. Though I have had good luck using factory stocks. The 112 stock is a laminate and a very good stock. Since you mention you can get factory ammo, I'm assuming you don't reload. Look for 168 and up match grade ammo. If you do reload, then look into the 168 Hybrid, 178 Hornady BTHP, any of the Berger target bullets 175 and up.
     
  7. Michael Eichele

    Michael Eichele Well-Known Member

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    It's not as easy to find a factory 30-06 that lends itself to 1000 yard shooting. The cartridge is ok but most of the hunting rifles are the flimsy version. There are a lot of factory 308s to choose from that make great 1000 yard target rifles. Staring with the 700 5R, PSS, VTSF, Savage makes some decent ones, win, sako and so on. A 26" PSS is tough to beat for a factory target/300 yard deer rifle combo but so is the 5R.
     
  8. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    I love my 700 5R 24" .308...Went and shot it today. Sent everything from 168's to 210 Bergers under 1/2" groups @ 100 all day long (it was windy today, so I could only get 1 or 2 groups down around the 1/4" mark). And it is 100% factory... I haven't even had the money to swap out the crappy X-Mark trigger to an old style pre-X trigger.

    It has a 0 MOA EGW HD base, TPS TSR low aluminum rings, and a cheap $350 Konus M-30 8.5-32x52 scope on it. I probably have $1,500 in it tax and all...And I hVe a really good feeling that she's a SOLID 1K competitor with my handloads. I haven't had a chance to take this one out that far yet, as I rarely have access to the 1K range I have shot at, since it's at my buddy's uncle's hunting land...And it's always some sort of hunting season around here. LOL
     
  9. 4xforfun

    4xforfun Well-Known Member

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    Ok..so you said "build" a 1000 yard "target and deer out to 300" gun.

    So..I say 6mm something. Dasher, 6-47L, heck, even a 6 br.

    Find a 1-8 twist tube. A 6mm pushing a 105+ at 3000 fps will be deadly out to 500 yards on deer and the 6mm is now reigning KING of the 600/1000 BR crowd!!!

    Cheap to shoot! Low recoil. BIG FUN FACTOR!!

    I love my dashers for comp and I love my 6-47L for hunting up to deer sized critters out to 500+.

    Good luck and have fun,

    Tod
     
  10. Canadian Bushman

    Canadian Bushman Well-Known Member

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    308 is also a + if you ever get into shooting FTR
     
  11. BountyHunter

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    308 has too much drop and wind at 1k and you will not be competitive or happy when shooting against other calibers. If the range does not have pits you will not be shooting FTR with other 308s

    IMO you have three ways to go

    1. Savage palma/ftr rifle in 308 and rechamber to 3006 if not happy with 308 after you try it

    2. Used sendaro in 300 win mag

    3. Savage 6mm br heavy barrel
     
  12. ShootnMathews

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    I know you said you want to stay wih a 3006 but I think you'll just get frustrated at the amount of windy youll have. I would recommend some sort of 6.5mm or 7mm. Much less wind drift and plenty of deer knockdown. 6.5-284 Norma or 7mm Rem Mag would be my choice. You can pick up a savage 111 LRH in either of those calibers for under $900. I got mine for $749 at cabelas a while back. At 100 yards it shoots near one hole.

    I have that Nikon scope and the only bad thing is it is 1/8" clicks which gives you less dialing range. On my 243 I can only dial to about 600 yards

    Picture is 3 shots out of my 6.5-284 savage 111LRH at 100 yards
     

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  13. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    1. How would you rechamber a short-action rifle to a long-action caliber without it being a complete pain in the ass?

    2. Why the .300 WM for 300 yard deer shooting, when I can kill deer at 200 yards with a .17 Rem Fireball? That's overkill.

    3. 6mmBR over a .308 Win? Barrel life won't be anywhere near comparable, and the 6mm is a .243 caliber bullet...Which is not what I would pick for hunting over the .308... I would tell him to pick a .257 Roberts or 7mm-08, or .260 Rem over the 6mmBR for hunting. The 6.5-284 would also make a great option, as Berger makes the 140 VLD's, and Lapua makes brass for it.

    None of your post makes any sense...

    Also, the .308 Win will make him a better shooter. The .308 Win is the best training caliber there is for 1K, because it teaches him drop, windage, and flight times. It also has low recoil, uses less powder, is an easy caliber to load for, and has great barrel life.
     
  14. Michael Eichele

    Michael Eichele Well-Known Member

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    I've got a load for my 308 that's flatter than the 260 running 140 vlds and gives up less than 10" of wind in a full 10 mph 1000 yard 90 degree value. 10" more of no correction. It's a fraction of that when corrections are made and a small misjudgment is made.

    If you can take the recoil of the 208-210s, you don't give up any wind and 10-20" of trajectory against the 260/140 combo.

    The 308 isn't what it was 20 years ago.

    Besides, I think too much emphasis is placed on trajectory. 20moa bases, adjustable turrets with reliable tracking and laser rangefinders have made 'flat trajectories' just about a null and mute point. It looks good on paper but that's about it. Paper ballistics are always fun but the fun runs out when you find out your hummer barrel has just been eaten up by being too overbore. You know, from chasing those fun paper ballistics. I've learned this the hard way but I really started to cry when I had a barrel chambered in 6.5x284. Hands down the most amazing barrel I've ever owned. Surgical accuracy with a wide variety of powders, bullets, primers....it just shot everything I fed it and amazingly, even several grains of powder apart, same 300 yard poi. Using a given charge weight and different bullet manufacturers of the same weight, had the same poi at 300 yards as well. If it weren't for slight BC differences, almost the exact same poi at 700 yards too. By the time I figured out my loads, drops etc...it was done. I wish I could find another barrel like that. If I ever end up with a hummer like that again but in 308, I'll be enjoying stupid accuracy for a long time. I'm sure some of it had to do with the caliber but that really was a special barrel. Was.



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