therifleman556
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Is this the same Harley that needs periodic government assistance to remain viable?
Ok I am not a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmore
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Perhaps, but after a 116 years of building bikes and counting I guess hard times will hit you eventually.
MudRunner2005
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Ever since Willie G took over, HD has gone full-blown SJW by trying to appeal to the younger generations, and it's destroying their sales.
Very true. The bad thing is the young guys they are trying to appeal to can't afford to buy the bikes!
therifleman556
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I find it amazing that anyone here in their home state can justify shelling out that kind of coin for something that can be used less than 6 months out of the year.
MudRunner2005
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Or have zero interest in an "old man's bike". They all want crotch-rockets and speed.
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270 win....
I have yet to hold a 3006 and think, wow I wish this was a little less awesome.
I have yet to hold a 3006 and think, wow I wish this was a little less awesome.
WildRose
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Oh good lord man. The MPBR with the 06 is significanly shorter than that of the 7mm. Another thousand words on the subject isn't going to change it.
At the same 300-400 yds range we're talking about the RM is a much flatter shooting cartridge just as it was designed to be and just as it proved out to the shooting public which is why it took off so quickly when introduced and why it remains so popular today.
I just re ran and checked my numbers using the bullets and velocity stated and 06 point blank range is 280 yards the 7Rem Mag point blank range 300 yards. Sorry numbers don't lie and JBM Ballistics not fly by night. With this set up 06 drop is 3 inches more at 350 yards and at 400 yards the 06 has dropped 18 inches vs 7Mag 13 inches. Now at 400 yards the fast flat shooting Magnum has to account for 13 inches of drop and the old slow 06 has to account for 18 inches of drop. At 400 yards both shooters need an accurate range and both shooters have to make a foot or a foot and a half adjustment. So I am happy to discuss numbers and drops. But another 1000 words won't change MV, ballistic coefficients and what your drop card looks like with a 3 inch high ZPBR sight in.
MudRunner2005
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Numbers do lie, when you use high-BC modern bullets and velocity numbers for 1 cartridge, but using old velocity and bullet numbers for the other. It's called sandbagging. You see it a lot in modern marketing campaigns... (Cough cough, Hornady, cough cough...)
I know that is what's happening because I have been shooting the 7mmRM for almost 20 years, and have a 26" .30-06 AI, that still won't even begin to touch the 7mmRM's velocities.Don't worry, Nosler is guilty of it, too, in their newest manuals, pushing really good numbers for their propriety Nosler line of cartridges, but sandbagging velocities for other similar cartridges, and slightly lesser cartridges to make their's look superior.
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Tidus56
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Nosler bullets BC and their Manuals always show preference. I have a hard time using their bullets anymoreNumbers do lie, when you use high-BC modern bullets and velocity numbers for 1 cartridge, but using old velocity and bullet numbers for the other. It's called sandbagging. You see it a lot in modern marketing campaigns... (Cough cough, Hornady, cough cough...)
Don't worry, Nosler is guilty of it, too, in their newest manuals, pushing really good numbers for their propriety Nosler line of cartridges, but sandbagging velocities for other similar cartridges, and slightly lesser cartridges to make their's look superior.
Hi RunnerNumbers do lie, when you use high-BC modern bullets and velocity numbers for 1 cartridge, but using old velocity and bullet numbers for the other. It's called sandbagging. You see it a lot in modern marketing campaigns... (Cough cough, Hornady, cough cough...)
Don't worry, Nosler is guilty of it, too, in their newest manuals, pushing really good numbers for their propriety Nosler line of cartridges, but sandbagging velocities for other similar cartridges, and slightly lesser cartridges to make their's look superior.
If you go back and read the thread I used an 06 shooting a Sierra 180 BTGK not exactly cutting edge like say a ELD-X and a Scirocco 7mm 150 which is not a BC dog. So if you read what I wrote and what numbers I used I would appreciate your corrections. That way I can be properly informed and not go around "sandbagging". post # 533 & post # 543 should get you up to speed. BTW I said nothing about velocities being alike.
MudRunner2005
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Performance numbers involve BC and velocity... That's how performance is measured. So, how do you define and compare "performance", in a static way that is more than just opinion?
Billy Bob might sit there straight-faced and tell you that his .308 Win put a hole in a deer at 300 yards like a MK19 shot it... But that might be his OPINION on the cartridge's performance. Realistically, people need static numbers they can actually compare to prove/disprove theories.
Billy Bob might sit there straight-faced and tell you that his .308 Win put a hole in a deer at 300 yards like a MK19 shot it... But that might be his OPINION on the cartridge's performance. Realistically, people need static numbers they can actually compare to prove/disprove theories.
You did not go back and read my earlier posts. If you want to discuss the topic then #513, #533 and #543 are my posts earlier in this thread. I put out an idea backed by numbers and what I get back is opinion. I am happy to discuss my point backed by numbers. Happy to hear where you disagree with my numbers.
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