So, I bought a savage 220 and put a vortex crossfire II 3-9x40 on it and tried a 3 shot group from a table and a shooting bag for the Forend. And yes I was taking hold of the forend as well with my hand. I shot hornady sst 2 3/4" and shot about a 8" group at 100 yards then I shot a group with the Remington accutip 2 3/4" and got 3 almost touching. Between each 3 shot group I cleaned the barrel with a bronze brush. Then after that I came to the conclusion the accutips were better. I proceeded to sight in at 100yards but could never get a satisfying group. Then I went and sighted in for 2" high at 50yds, ( already out about 25 rounds so about $75 on ammo) so I got it to there was one bucket just high of the target. After this I proceeded to climb up in my stand and set a target out at what is supposedly 118yds. ( this is where most of the deer come out) to my surprise, I shot 2 rounds and only one hit and it was at the very top of the target. The other one I have no clue where it hit. I went back to the house gave it a really good cleaning inside and out and came back the next day. It was about 74 and literally no wind. I shot a 5 shot group at the target for a sitting position. ( I was in one of those chairs you bring to your kids soccer game or what not). I was sitting down left leg accrossed my right with my elbow on my left thigh and forearm on the left arm rest. This was probably the closet I could get to be stabilized but no where need bench shooting. To my surprise I shot like crap. 5 shots 118 yards sitting position and allowed barrel cooling produced a lousy 9 in group at worst and 3.5 in group at best. Although I was trying to mimick really life shooting situation will this be enough? Also, for some weird reason I feel as though I am actually more steady when I'm shooting at a living animal. I don't know if it's the feeling of if I miss its gone, while with paper you just shoot again? But, any way is 9" group being the worst of the 5 and 3.5" being the best good enough for ethically killing deer at that distance? Thanks.