Thanks guys. For my budget I have it narrowed down to the vortex hst 4-16x44 and the burris veracity 4-20x50. Up here in canada they are very similar priced with the veracity about $100 more, but thats not an issue. As far as glass quality goes, at least for myself, I'm still shooting with a 15 year old Bushnell elite 3200 3-9x40, and I have been pleased with the glass on it, so I'm sure either one would be more than adequate for me. I had my heart set on the HST until I found the veracity, it seems to have a few more options than the vortex that appeal to me and the extra 4x magnafication is a bonus, even though i'm not even sure if I need it. How exactly does the BDC work on the veracity. Is there a section on the website to calculate the yardage of each hash mark. How accurate is it out to the distances.