best round for a newb

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by manitobahunter, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. manitobahunter

    manitobahunter New Member

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    hello everyone im a canadian. live in manitoba and i'm getting into long range hunting/shooting. i hunt deer,moose, black bear. shot's can be from 300m to 1200m easly.

    so im thinking of buying a savage 11/111 lrh in the following, 308 win (to learn the trade) 300 wsm or the 300 wm

    in short what the most ideal round for my needs?

    thanks every one

    p.s. im getting into reloading shortly
     
  2. WyoElk2Hunt

    WyoElk2Hunt Well-Known Member

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    My vote goes to 300 Win Mag.
     
  3. Nikolakangrga

    Nikolakangrga Well-Known Member

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    +1
    .300 win mag
     
  4. manitobahunter

    manitobahunter New Member

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    sweet thanks guys


    what would you think that max afficative range of 300 wm on a deer? at 1900 elavation ?
     
  5. WyoElk2Hunt

    WyoElk2Hunt Well-Known Member

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    I would say 800 yards but a lot more experienced guys with bc knowledge might say otherwise.
     
  6. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    300. Win Mag and 300. WSM are identical with 180 grain bullets or smaller. The 180 grain bullet is minimum and will work but the 190 vld or 210 vld would be better for long range purpose! Both the 300. Win mag and WSM are capable of what you are trying to do but the win mag is better for this kind of application unless the WSM is shot out of a long action. In the standard short action the, WSM case doesn't have the room to fire the 190 vld especially the 210 vld at speeds that are needed. In a long action, the 190 and 210 vld can be seated into the lands, high in the neck and take velocities of the win mag.

    Rule the 308. Win out!!
     
  7. HARPERC

    HARPERC Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like you are already hunting/shooting, and I'm just curious about the equipment/experience you're starting with.
     
  8. manitobahunter

    manitobahunter New Member

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    once again thanks. i have been hunting all my life. im from ontario 200 m shot's are rather rare. but i joined the army and off west i went lol .. so i have been hunting out here for 7 years now.

    im currently using a 270 win but its not the best bear round imo. my wife uncle in sackatchewan has a problem with black bears attacking his cattle. so this fall im heading down there to give him a hand gun)
     
  9. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    The 300. Win mag or WSM is capable
    Of deer at 1000+ ranges as long as the rifle is accurate enough (sub moa) and the shooter is capable. Yes the 300. Is better for bear then the old 270. Win but loaded with 140 accubond I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot at a Black bear within 500
     
  10. davkrat

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    If you already have a .270 then rule out the .308. They are basically identical. I have both and when I run the numbers for each there is not really anything one can do that the other can't duplicate. I am a real fan of the .308 and am converting my .270 to a 7mm Rem Mag.

    Like the others said go with the 300 Win Mag. Longer COAL, magazine and case capacity allows for long high BC VLD bullets. If you were looking for a large game timber rifle where long shots are not needed the 300 WSM would get my vote.
     
  11. manitobahunter

    manitobahunter New Member

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    thanks again . on a little diffrent note, who here has used the savage 111 lrh ? and there thoughts were on the rifle ? and also what would be another good sarting rifle would be in this feild i.e 700 sendro II for an example ...



    thanks again
     
  12. WyoElk2Hunt

    WyoElk2Hunt Well-Known Member

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    Might want to look at Tikka or CZ both have good reviews and are priced right.
     
  13. 270winshort

    270winshort Well-Known Member

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    matt_3479 pretty well sums it up
     
  14. davkrat

    davkrat Well-Known Member

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    I've heard great things about Tikkas recently. I'm a Rem. 700 fan myself.