I have a 257 Roberts and a 25-06 in my safe. Both have taken many deer and a few elk over the years. The kids grew up using the 257 Rob. The main reason we chose the creed 3 years ago was one of convenience. With copper bullet requirements there was zero ammunition available on the shelves for the 257 Rob and few for the 25-06. But there was boatloads of Creed. With the shortage of powder, primers etc I just thought hey let's get the most vanilla thing out there and shoot that. So, I bought a 308 and son got the.Creed.. Daughter still shoots her 7mm-08. Now circle back 3 years later and I'm handloading for both the 6.5 and 308. There's no ammo on the shelves at all and we can't mail order ammunition in California. If you don't handload, you can't shoot here anymore. It's horrible here.