284 - reloading question

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I'm looking into building a 284 for hunting purpose only. Light and accurate that both myself and my young son will use. I will eventually get a reamer made off research I gather. with Case capacity and bullet selection I'd like opinions on what bullet weight is most popular in the 284 with the case capacity and powder. Please provide twist rate you would recommend.
one other thing is a short action or long action preferred.



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Im working on my 284 loads now. Im shooting a 9 twist, 5r rifled barrel, 22" on a long action. I chose the long action so that i wouldnt have mag length limitations associated with short actions. This has been a 284 issue in the past. I have tested hammer hunter 101 and 120 gr in mine. The 120 shoots great but still working on the 101. Im getting good numbers but inconsistent groups with it which i think is jump related. I havent fired any heavy weights yet. The rifle really likes IMR-4166 with the 120 hh.
I also tested barnes 120 tsx and ttsx with great results. Most every powder shot under 1" and many under 3/4". Its one of the most inherently accurate cartridges ive worked with.
 
Im working on my 284 loads now. Im shooting a 9 twist, 5r rifled barrel, 22" on a long action. I chose the long action so that i wouldnt have mag length limitations associated with short actions. This has been a 284 issue in the past. I have tested hammer hunter 101 and 120 gr in mine. The 120 shoots great but still working on the 101. Im getting good numbers but inconsistent groups with it which i think is jump related. I havent fired any heavy weights yet. The rifle really likes IMR-4166 with the 120 hh.
I also tested barnes 120 tsx and ttsx with great results. Most every powder shot under 1" and many under 3/4". Its one of the most inherently accurate cartridges ive worked with.
with the 9t do you plan on shooting heavier bullets. I was looking on possible shooting the 150-180 gr bullets.
 
Have owned at least one 284 Win since 1983. Currently have two. Short action Ruger tang safety with modified magazine 3.050" and 1 in 9.25 twist. Reamer made to my specs for .010" engagement of lands with a 168 Berger VLD with a 3.025 OAL. Used RL-17. Also shoot 120 Nosler ballistic tip with RL-17. FYI read about the performance of the 120 NBT on game at bottom, quite amazing.

Other 284 is a long action Remington 700 using a different reamer so 180 Berger sits with base bearing surface even with neck/shoulder junction and engagement of lands. OAL easily fits into the unaltered magazine Barrel is a 1 in 7 twist. Also using RL-17 for 2800 fps accuracy load. This was a rifle a friend was building and sold to me when he realized he wouldn't get to finishing it. I have messed around with it some. It doesn't do much for me as a hunting rifle as it is too heavy with its 29" #7 profile barrel. Just fun to shoot at the range with its mild recoil as it weighs 14 lbs.

Over the years I have taken coues wt, elk, and javelina with a wide variety of bullets and powders.

I would suggest you use the 120 Nosler ballistic tip which can obtain 3300 fps or more. There are plenty of bullets from 140 to 168. No need to use anything heavier.

FYI the 120 NBT: Steve Timm Author said this:
(thanks Steve for your information)



"I push 120BTs at 3,370 out of my .280 Ackley. I've killed one Alberta moose, maybe a half-dozen big Alberta whitetails, about four antelope and about eight or ten mule deer with the load. Never seen any hint of a blowup.

The moose shot was at 91 yards. Bullwinkle was standing in a farm two-track, kinda angled. I shot him through the left carotid artery (cool..it spurts) and the bullet exited, leaving a two-inch hole and a totally missing cervical (neck) vertabrae. Moosie stood for about five seconds, long enough for me to rack in another round, and then he tipped over like a piece of plywood in a light wind.

When used in the .280 Ackley, the bullet seemingly always exits on deer and antelope, except for one antelope buck that I shot in the throat and found the bullet next to the bunghole, when I started to do the bad-nasty coring job with my filet knife. That bullet was expanded to about .75" and the core/jacket were one solid piece. The rest of the bullets, on both deer and antelope, totally penetrated and might still be in low-earth orbit, for all I know. Exit holes are not large, averaging about 1 1/2-inches to two inches, and blood shot meat is not bad. Yeah, I know the first few generations of BTs were "soft", but this bullet is much harder.

I've also used the 120BT in my 7SGLC ( 7-08 improved) at 3,250 fps MV. One shot I totally remember was hitting a major Montana mule deer buck in the face with the bullet at about ten yards. It was very early one morning and I was creeping up a hill, when I ran smack-dab into a large buck that was peeping at me through a juniper tree.. The horns were MAJOR.....up came the rifle and I shot it under the right eye. Didn't break the skull cap......just killed the living crap out of him.

It must be a guy thing, but I just love shooting critters squarely in the face, if I can. My friend, Roger Roberts, from Weeping Water, Nebraska, about had a hernia when I face-shot a caribou when we were hunting in Quebec...a face-shot at about fifteen feet is graphic and Roger ragged at me for the rest of the hunt about the shot. When I got home, I sent him a long video entitled "Face-Shot Things"; it was about a dozen short video clips melded together that would be great ammo for PETA Roger was SO insulted that he had to watch it fifteen or twenty times; then, he got his wife, Vicki, and the kids to watch it more. But I digress.

With the with the same load in my 7SGLC, I killed a 9 1/2 year old mule buck at 204 yards. Shot through the spine at dusk. Exit hole was maybe two inches, after removing a serious piece of spine. Biggest damned deer I've ever seen....anywhere. And in the gumbo. Karen and I WORKED to get that SOB out.

7SGLC also ended the careers of two 6X6 bull elk, not major bulls, but both were 300 B&C or so. One at about 375 yards and the other one was 400-ish. One was shot through the spine, between the shoulder blades, from above and the bullet penetrated to the brisket hide. The other was broadside...hit squarely in the center of the shoulder, broke both shoulders, but no mess, and penetrated to the off-shoulder hide. Both elk bullets expanded to about .80" and the cores were securely locked in the jackets.

I've killed oodles of big Alberta coyotes with the 120BT in the .280. Doesn't do much, except kill them, because the jacket is too heavy for predator use.

The 120BT, as we know it, came from shooting Silhouetta. Reportedly, the original version was too lightly built to get the reliably knock over the 500-meter steel ram. My buddy, Chub Eastman, was at the first big Silhouetta shoot where they were used and came back home to Bend, OR with the request to "build it heavier." line. Hey, it wasn't selling as a varmint bullet, so they apparently thought that they would build the bullet for their target market; the Silhouetta shooters. Sooooo, Nosler beefed up the jacket and, in doing so, they unknowingly created one Hell of a big game bullet.

Section one, I think you'll see what I mean. The bugger is built like the Ballistic Tip .338s-and-higher. Really heavy jacket.

I use .284"-120BTs on deer and antelope with no hesitation. And, when the opportunity avails itself to bonk a heavier head of big game, I have absolutely no worries with the 120BT."

Hope this helps.

Steve
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Have owned at least one 284 Win since 1983. Currently have two. Short action Ruger tang safety with modified magazine 3.050" and 1 in 9.25 twist. Reamer made to my specs for .010" engagement of lands with a 168 Berger VLD with a 3.025 OAL. Used RL-17. Also shoot 120 Nosler ballistic tip with RL-17. FYI read about the performance of the 120 NBT on game at bottom, quite amazing.

Other 284 is a long action Remington 700 using a different reamer so 180 Berger sits with base bearing surface even with neck/shoulder junction and engagement of lands. OAL easily fits into the unaltered magazine Barrel is a 1 in 7 twist. Also using RL-17 for 2800 fps accuracy load. This was a rifle a friend was building and sold to me when he realized he wouldn't get to finishing it. I have messed around with it some. It doesn't do much for me as a hunting rifle as it is too heavy with its 29" #7 profile barrel. Just fun to shoot at the range with its mild recoil as it weighs 14 lbs.

Over the years I have taken coues wt, elk, and javelina with a wide variety of bullets and powders.

I would suggest you use the 120 Nosler ballistic tip which can obtain 3300 fps or more. There are plenty of bullets from 140 to 168. No need to use anything heavier.

FYI the 120 NBT: Steve Timm Author said this:
(thanks Steve for your information)



"I push 120BTs at 3,370 out of my .280 Ackley. I've killed one Alberta moose, maybe a half-dozen big Alberta whitetails, about four antelope and about eight or ten mule deer with the load. Never seen any hint of a blowup.

The moose shot was at 91 yards. Bullwinkle was standing in a farm two-track, kinda angled. I shot him through the left carotid artery (cool..it spurts) and the bullet exited, leaving a two-inch hole and a totally missing cervical (neck) vertabrae. Moosie stood for about five seconds, long enough for me to rack in another round, and then he tipped over like a piece of plywood in a light wind.

When used in the .280 Ackley, the bullet seemingly always exits on deer and antelope, except for one antelope buck that I shot in the throat and found the bullet next to the bunghole, when I started to do the bad-nasty coring job with my filet knife. That bullet was expanded to about .75" and the core/jacket were one solid piece. The rest of the bullets, on both deer and antelope, totally penetrated and might still be in low-earth orbit, for all I know. Exit holes are not large, averaging about 1 1/2-inches to two inches, and blood shot meat is not bad. Yeah, I know the first few generations of BTs were "soft", but this bullet is much harder.

I've also used the 120BT in my 7SGLC ( 7-08 improved) at 3,250 fps MV. One shot I totally remember was hitting a major Montana mule deer buck in the face with the bullet at about ten yards. It was very early one morning and I was creeping up a hill, when I ran smack-dab into a large buck that was peeping at me through a juniper tree.. The horns were MAJOR.....up came the rifle and I shot it under the right eye. Didn't break the skull cap......just killed the living crap out of him.

It must be a guy thing, but I just love shooting critters squarely in the face, if I can. My friend, Roger Roberts, from Weeping Water, Nebraska, about had a hernia when I face-shot a caribou when we were hunting in Quebec...a face-shot at about fifteen feet is graphic and Roger ragged at me for the rest of the hunt about the shot. When I got home, I sent him a long video entitled "Face-Shot Things"; it was about a dozen short video clips melded together that would be great ammo for PETA Roger was SO insulted that he had to watch it fifteen or twenty times; then, he got his wife, Vicki, and the kids to watch it more. But I digress.

With the with the same load in my 7SGLC, I killed a 9 1/2 year old mule buck at 204 yards. Shot through the spine at dusk. Exit hole was maybe two inches, after removing a serious piece of spine. Biggest damned deer I've ever seen....anywhere. And in the gumbo. Karen and I WORKED to get that SOB out.

7SGLC also ended the careers of two 6X6 bull elk, not major bulls, but both were 300 B&C or so. One at about 375 yards and the other one was 400-ish. One was shot through the spine, between the shoulder blades, from above and the bullet penetrated to the brisket hide. The other was broadside...hit squarely in the center of the shoulder, broke both shoulders, but no mess, and penetrated to the off-shoulder hide. Both elk bullets expanded to about .80" and the cores were securely locked in the jackets.

I've killed oodles of big Alberta coyotes with the 120BT in the .280. Doesn't do much, except kill them, because the jacket is too heavy for predator use.

The 120BT, as we know it, came from shooting Silhouetta. Reportedly, the original version was too lightly built to get the reliably knock over the 500-meter steel ram. My buddy, Chub Eastman, was at the first big Silhouetta shoot where they were used and came back home to Bend, OR with the request to "build it heavier." line. Hey, it wasn't selling as a varmint bullet, so they apparently thought that they would build the bullet for their target market; the Silhouetta shooters. Sooooo, Nosler beefed up the jacket and, in doing so, they unknowingly created one Hell of a big game bullet.

Section one, I think you'll see what I mean. The bugger is built like the Ballistic Tip .338s-and-higher. Really heavy jacket.

I use .284"-120BTs on deer and antelope with no hesitation. And, when the opportunity avails itself to bonk a heavier head of big game, I have absolutely no worries with the 120BT."

Hope this helps.

Steve
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Never thought about using the 120 gr BT. I will have to research that bullet. I will deffinetly have to try that Combo. I have such a variety of 150-180 grain weight bullets that I was thinking of those also.
with the 120 gr it would be good for my son when he starts due to the light recoil. By chance what was the twist on the barrel and length. do you recall if it was a 4R or 5r. barrel.
thanks for the feed back. I'm looking for a nice hunting rig for a young son that A father can also use.
 
interesting read on the 120 BT. thanks @AZShooter

lately i have moved away from the heavies in my 284 working with lighter 140 -150 class bullets with the 150 BT being the most accurate so far but might try to locate some 120s

the 1-9 twist is your best option there is no need for faster unless you are going to use monos.
 
I'm looking into building a 284 for hunting purpose only. Light and accurate that both myself and my young son will use. I will eventually get a reamer made off research I gather. with Case capacity and bullet selection I'd like opinions on what bullet weight is most popular in the 284 with the case capacity and powder. Please provide twist rate you would recommend.
one other thing is a short action or long action preferred.



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Variables.
For me, twist is based on bullet, Bullet weight based on conventional vs mono, that based on game animal hunted, possibly range.
My favorite lightweight is short action on 700 Ti 6lb 4oz scope, sling, complete.
Shooting 140 grain conventional,
or 130 CEB at a safe and accurate 3200fps
 

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I can't speak to the powder and bullet selection. But, I would recommend a Tikka action. No need for trigger replacement, it's light and strong, and likely no need for truing any part of it, and gobs of room for the bullet.

You might even be able to find a prefit barrel in 284win with a throat for longer bullets. Or you could buy a 7mm08 Tikka and have the chamber reamed to what you want.

I know alot of the 6.5-284 Tikka guys love it. Mine is 30-284 and love the cartridge/action size combo.
 
284 shooting a 140 vs 6.5 x 284 Shooting 140 gr.

any pros or cons vs each other? See a lot of guys running the 6.5 x 284.
 
the 284 will get the edge on barrel life but the 6.5-284 will win in the BC department

velocities are give and take depending on the barrel and how its throated

my 284 is a 25 inch 1-9 brux possibly the most accurate combination i ever owned

180 hybrids to the 150 B-TIP all have shot under 1/2 MOA with very little load development
 
Running SA 284 but if I had to do it over would probably go long action. Pleased with the results though:

284 Winchester SA 24" barrel 9T VAIS brake
Running a Wyatt box loading at 2.96" OAL
H4895 50.5 grains - not a hint of pressure and went farther but no need - gun likes this
140 gr Absolute Hammer bullet
Federal 210M primer
Virgin Norma brass = quick shot through the FL Redding sizer then very light inside chamfer
3127 avg FPS
STDEV 12
Groups size @ 100 yards - largest .62 smallest .32
 
with the 9t do you plan on shooting heavier bullets. I was looking on possible shooting the 150-180 gr bullets.
No, I dont have a need at the moment for heavy bullets. I'll be using 120 gr HH on local deer. In fact, I'm heading downstairs now to load some to zero in with. I ordered a 9T so I'd have enough should I decide to go heavy for large game.
 
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