Hunting Rifle: Anyone Else Have No Desire for a Silencer?

To me, it depends on the rifle and the hunt. I have a suppressor (46M) that I use on a couple of rifles, esp. my Ruger 375 Guide gun, only a 20" barrel. I use a brake on a couple of my 300WM's with 26" barrel and with hearing protection when I hunt. I have a couple of 308 rifles, one a 308 Tikka I bought this year with a 20" tube, I will not use anything with those, as they are used here in AR for Deer, Hogs, Bear, often from box blinds where portability comes at a premium. I don't think there is one best way.
 
Sez the guy with hearing aides...
Nope, sorry!
People hunted for generations without suppressors, now every rifle has to have one, whatever!
I do like them some of the time quite a lot actually, just not a do it for every situation or stay home for me.
To each his own!
 
Yes, we did and yes, you can. Bang, you're deaf.

A single round of unmuffled gunfire can cause irreversible hearing damage. Remember that dull feeling you had when you tried to talk to people after you shot that deer? That's a temporary threshold shift. Losing your hearing is like boiling a frog, ya just get used to it. Today I'm 75. When I was 28 I was ignoring my wife telling me I needed to get my hearing checked. When they granted my hearing disability at the shipyard I was told I had been a good candidate for bilateral haring aides the day I was hired, when I was 28 - before 30 years of working iron.

Even before the disability I had begun wearing plugs from work and electronic muffs. I competed at the local club and taught some classes. Most likely I heard more gunshots the average club member and way more than the average hunter today. Maybe all this has given me a fetish about hearing protection but what I was able to hear with that first set of hearing aides transformed my life.
 
Yes, we did and yes, you can. Bang, you're deaf.

A single round of unmuffled gunfire can cause irreversible hearing damage. Remember that dull feeling you had when you tried to talk to people after you shot that deer? That's a temporary threshold shift. Losing your hearing is like boiling a frog, ya just get used to it. Today I'm 75. When I was 28 I was ignoring my wife telling me I needed to get my hearing checked. When they granted my hearing disability at the shipyard I was told I had been a good candidate for bilateral haring aides the day I was hired, when I was 28 - before 30 years of working iron.

Even before the disability I had begun wearing plugs from work and electronic muffs. I competed at the local club and taught some classes. Most likely I heard more gunshots the average club member and way more than the average hunter today. Maybe all this has given me a fetish about hearing protection but what I was able to hear with that first set of hearing aides transformed my life.
Yes, it can but didn't. I am 73 and shoot a lot. Some people can take one drink and become an alcoholic; we take our chances all the time.
My Dad used to beat on steel in his shop, that can be rough.
Yes, hearing protection is important which is why I said I use hearing protection, I guess that was missed.
But, suppressed is great but to think we have to all the time is not for me, as I have hearing protection!
 
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I believe his question is rhetorical. A simple Google search will tell you OSHA has limited jurisdiction. They do not apply to any of the ranges I attend regarding the topic of debate. Hearing protection.

Your context is incomplete....

An accurate account would be "OSHA already administers requirements to ranges for profit or with PAID EMPLOYEES...they however have ZERO JURISDICTION on the general public...meaning they DO NOT regulate shooting ranges for hearing protection as it relates to most people...."

Many publicly managed ranges (such as state funded) will defer to OSHA for its VISITORS requirements but...again, those are requirements imposed by the granter of the range to the public NOT by OSHA.... So....

NO...OSHA does not and cannot require any sort of mandate to the general public (visitors)... that's not how it works.

But as I said before, I'm sure many on this thread wish they could empower OSHA to tell us what to do in our private lives.

Because if you were correct (which you are not) it would be contrary to your "promise," and would factually be to impede our "God given right to self harm..."
The dichotomy of internet debate is that you can either write a dissertation covering every angle of your statement, which no one will read. Or you summarize as best as possible and leave it to the good will of others to properly interpret your position...and in doing so will always leave yourself open to endless dissection of minutia.

The specific statement was asked in what way firearm use was regulated. I gave an abbreviated overview of the many ways they are by government bodies, and asked which one I should reference.

As for my last statement on OSHA, I don't need a "simple" google search. That drives confirmation bias.

I know that OSHA does not have direct jurisdiction over visitors. But requiring the same safety measures for visitors is an implied part of their regulations, and failure to do so in a way that results in injury to visitors (as in hearing loss because you do not require...I'll even concede "heavily suggest" for the sake of this discussion...said visitors to adhere) absolutely opens you up to legal battles that would be fully upheld by the enforcement arm of the government.

OSHA may not directly cite you in most cases for not requiring visitor PPE...a resulting legal battle with an affected individual is far more detrimental. But there is a reason anytime I'm contracting in any facility where an OSHA rep is on-site doing inspections, following PPE as a visitor is absolutely non-negotiable. This has happened dozens of times in my career.

And to add to the above, there are plenty of localities and regulations on equipment, that have a noise threshold regulations for equipment and activities. I have not seen anyone's statement in this thread suggest that OSHA be invited to regulate our private lives. Just that it would be nice to have areas to shoot that require silencers, so as to not subject themselves or loved ones to unnecessary hearing loss.

Especially nowadays when brakes are so prevalent...because why do the unmanly "*****" thing of shooting calibers you can handle when you can simply buy it at the low cost of the of the individuals' hearing to the left and right of you?

Still, the vast majorities of excessively loud muzzle devices at the range are hanging off .223s, 6.5 creeds, 308s, and AKs. But I mean, come on. Your .223 isn't going to calm itself, and who doesn't want to look like Magpul Dynamics!
 
Please do some research on OSHA and reply back. You specifically mentioned OSHA, nothing about BATF. I seriously doubt they ever look at gun ranges unless it's reported that someone is using a full auto firearm.
I was asked how firearms were regulated.

And you can see my OSHA reply above...I'm patiently awaiting a range officer to dispute me.
 
The dichotomy of internet debate is that you can either write a dissertation covering every angle of your statement, which no one will read. Or you summarize as best as possible and leave it to the good will of others to properly interpret your position...and in doing so will always leave yourself open to endless dissection of minutia.

The specific statement was asked in what way firearm use was regulated. I gave an abbreviated overview of the many ways they are by government bodies, and asked which one I should reference.

As for my last statement on OSHA, I don't need a "simple" google search. That drives confirmation bias.

I know that OSHA does not have direct jurisdiction over visitors. But requiring the same safety measures for visitors is an implied part of their regulations, and failure to do so in a way that results in injury to visitors (as in hearing loss because you do not require...I'll even concede "heavily suggest" for the sake of this discussion...said visitors to adhere) absolutely opens you up to legal battles that would be fully upheld by the enforcement arm of the government.

OSHA may not directly cite you in most cases for not requiring visitor PPE...a resulting legal battle with an affected individual is far more detrimental. But there is a reason anytime I'm contracting in any facility where an OSHA rep is on-site doing inspections, following PPE as a visitor is absolutely non-negotiable. This has happened dozens of times in my career.

And to add to the above, there are plenty of localities and regulations on equipment, that have a noise threshold regulations for equipment and activities. I have not seen anyone's statement in this thread suggest that OSHA be invited to regulate our private lives. Just that it would be nice to have areas to shoot that require silencers, so as to not subject themselves or loved ones to unnecessary hearing loss.

Especially nowadays when brakes are so prevalent...because why do the unmanly "*****" thing of shooting calibers you can handle when you can simply buy it at the low cost of the of the individuals' hearing to the left and right of you?

Still, the vast majorities of excessively loud muzzle devices at the range are hanging off .223s, 6.5 creeds, 308s, and AKs. But I mean, come on. Your .223 isn't going to calm itself, and who doesn't want to look like Magpul Dynamics!
The dichotomy in the exchange of certain parties is that one party has claimed multiple times OSHA requires and mandates things down to the public (which is outlined AGAIN in this quote) which it does not and cannot. I think it has been cleared up rather precisely though. Regardless of any range officers comments as they do not represent nor enforce OSHA regulations to anyone from the public. 👌

Contrary to what some may sematicize to be correct, there is NO "implied" jurisdiction from anyone or anything with regards to OSHA towards the PUBLIC. This "implied" position is a stretch at best and in no way is close to accurate. This position is similar to what I refer to as the "frowned upon" sydrome...a statement derived from figures void of authority☹️☹️☹️...Again, not how that works. Although I'm sure others wish it was, hence the discussion and the stretch to give overreaching governmental regulatory entities more mysterious power than they have.

The opinion that the OCCUPATIONAL.S.H.A has implied jurisdiction to people outside of occupational threshold is certainly an opinion. A respected one, but again, incomplete and incorrect.
 
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The dichotomy in the exchange of certain parties is that one party has claimed multiple times OSHA requires and mandates things down to the public (which is outlined AGAIN in this quote) which it does not and cannot. I think it has been cleared up rather precisely though. Regardless of any range officers comments as they do not represent nor enforce OSHA regulations to anyone from the public. 👌

Contrary to what some may sematicize to be correct, there is NO "implied" jurisdiction from anyone or anything with regards to OSHA towards the PUBLIC. This "implied" position is a stretch at best and in no way is close to accurate. This position is similar to what I refer to as the "frowned upon" sydrome...a statement derived from figures void of authority☹️☹️☹️...Again, not how that works. Although I'm sure others wish it was, hence the discussion and the stretch to give overreaching governmental regulatory entities more mysterious power than they have.

The opinion that the OCCUPATIONAL.S.H.A has implied jurisdiction to people outside of occupational threshold is certainly an opinion. A respected one, but again, incomplete and incorrect.
I realize we are way off topic, but what happens if a visitor resides in a location with known slip hazards present, and they are not made aware of, nor provided the proper equipment to safely work in said area and they slip on concrete?

What happens if they get on a ladder or lift and are not "heavily suggested" to wear a harness, then take a fall?

What happens if an individual is allowed to continuously shoot at a range without earpro, and he learns he has experience significant hearing loss year-over-year?
 
What happens if an individual is allowed to continuously shoot at a range without earpro, and he learns he has experience significant hearing loss year-over-year?

Someone should have him/her charged with "aggravated stupidity"!

Nothing more……why should anyone be held responsible for the actions of someone with 'ZERO" common sense! memtb
 
I realize we are way off topic, but what happens if a visitor resides in a location with known slip hazards present, and they are not made aware of, nor provided the proper equipment to safely work in said area and they slip on concrete?

What happens if they get on a ladder or lift and are not "heavily suggested" to wear a harness, then take a fall?

What happens if an individual is allowed to continuously shoot at a range without earpro, and he learns he has experience significant hearing loss year-over-year?
Well if all of these happen outside of the Occupational threshold than nothing happens from OSHA.....what are we missing....🤦🤦🤦🤦

OSHA has zero jurisdiction, not even an "implied" or "heavily suggested one..." That has been the point the entire time 😆😆...

Your statements continue to contradict, you can't a have a "visitor" to a place "safely working" at the same place....back to the OP
 
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Last year at hunting camp, a guy had a silencer. Every time before he got on his horse, he'd pull it off. And then when he got off, he'd screw it back on because the thing wouldn't fit in his scabbard. I wear the Cadillac of hearing protecting with ESP. No need for a silencer or the hassle.
 
Well if all of these happen outside of the Occupational threshold than nothing happens from OSHA.....what are we missing....🤦🤦🤦🤦

OSHA has zero jurisdiction, not even an "implied" or "heavily suggested one..." That has been the point the entire time 😆😆...back to the OP
You're missing (ignoring) the part where stated individuals can and will sue the establishment for injuries resulting from preventable bodily harm...and win...in a court presided over by a government-appointed judge.

And the resulting punishment can and will be enforced by the government.

You are trying to argue that I am "technically" wrong from a standpoint that I've never taken...yet still a point on which I've immediately conceded. The concept that you purposefully seem to be neglecting is that if something is "practically" enforced indirectly, is it not just "enforced?"

In another scenario, if the establishment requires PPE to enter and you refuse, they will have security escort you from the premises. To me, and most others, that is very much a real enforcement of OSHA regulations onto those not covered under the "occupation."

But I know you know this. Which goes back to my "good faith" statement earlier.
 
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