Has the 30-06 died along with the .308 ???

I know there are trillions already out there. Most of us oldies have owned and hunted, even defended our Flag with them,

As most of you know, I'm shopping HARD for a beautifully stocked rifle. I found a brand new one but in 30-06. definitely NOT my first choice but its hard to rag on the good Ole 06.

Comfort me with my choice, any new loadings re; powder/bullet combo's.

What I am seeing in the shooting world is that gun manufacturers are hyping up their new, 5000 yard anti-tank, barrel burning round, capable of destroying anything that walks the earth. When one picks up a shooting magazine that round is on the front cover of every shooting magazine in the country!! They will have all the popular sports writers do special articles on them, and.................then they are gone, on to the next new "designer" cartridge!!!!!!!!!! The cartridge that strikes me the most is Nosler's .280 Ackley Improved. Man when that one hit the market it was the last round that a shooter/hunter would ever need or want in their safe!! But....................although the original cartridge has been around since 1957, Nosler had to change the case overall length by .014 thousandths of an inch, reason so they can sell their own brass, components and rifles; it's that simple. Try buying components for this round, compare the costs and even the availability of this cartridge; if you can find them. Oh..........for the .280 Ackely Improved aficionados, I think that the .280 AI is one of the best cartridges on the market. The original .280 Ackley Improved was developed in 1957, and....I think that Nosler should have left that original cartridge alone.

I only wrote all of this to make a point, that "NO" the 30-06 has not died at all, it's just the the manufacturers have taken over the market selling the latest and greatest designer cartridge. I presently have a Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 that I bought new for my father in 1969/70 sitting in the gun safe. I know that whatever I intend to hunt it is more than capable of taking any game that I intend to hunt at ranges that I am capable of shooting. The only modifications that I have made is to glass bed and float the barrel, it will shoot sub MOA with just about anything I shoot in it. Presently I am building a Ruger 77, tang safety rifle, the donor rifle was in .270 Winchester, this one will be in 30-06! The rifle will have a 26 inch Lilja barrel (1-10), the action trued and blueprinted, trigger job, glass bed and float the barrel, pillar bedded. I am building this rifle as a companion rifle for the .270 Ackley Improved that I built a couple of year ago for deer hunting. If something happens to the .270AI, like falling off the tailgate of the truck, gets run over by the truck, I fall out of a shooting house and my big -ss lands on it, there's something that is there that will be capable of shooting accurately and capable of getting the job done, at the distances that I am hunting at. There are a lot of good cartridges out there that have gone by the wayside by the manufacturers marketing hype. But....if one were to do an honest and objective comparison of the "new/designer" cartridges compared to the old and forgotten, and undermarketed cartridges (due to marketing hype) there's really not much difference between them. Cartridges like the 25-06, 6.5-06, .270 Winchester, 7mm RemMag, the 30-06 Springfield and the 338-06, .358 Winchester and the 35 Whelen. Please do some comparisons on your own, take out the reloading manuals and do the comparisons for yourself. Compare the 6.5 Creedmore against the 6.5-06 or the .270 Winchester and see what you find, there's not enough difference in performance to make me want to go out and buy a new rifle chambered it in; and....no offense to the 6.5 Creedmore followers, it's a good cartridge. Take a look at the new 28 Nosler, compare it to the 7mm RemMag, it takes almost at least 50% more powder, brass costs double (if you can find it), the cartridge eats barrels, it'll rattle the fillings out of your back molars when when you pull the trigger, all for a couple of hundred feet per second. The 30-06 has been around since 1906, it has a big following because people know the diversity of the cartridge, and......NO the 30-06 isn't dead by any means! If you have a good deal on a 30-06 then get it; and........always remember that life is not a dress rehearsal, we only going this way once!!!
 
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I have owned multiple 30-06s, but never been "enthused" about them. I currently have a Husqvarna post war sporter that I purchased from my brother. He needed the money. He is 81 now and one of his childhood friends became a gunsmith, and took the gun from him and went through it (ie trigger job, etc., I don't really know what else). His name is Dunlap and has written several books and taught at a gunsmithing school. I need to mess with it now.

I found locally a Cooper custom classic in 30-06 and bought it. Now I am excited. I just bought some 165 gr ballistic tips and brass, so it is time to work up a load. Never been this excited about a 30-06, but am now.
 
I have a Ruger #1 in 308 (it also shoots creedmore 7.62x51 ammo) best 30 cal I've owned but it's only my second one. I love dead cartridges. I also got a ruger #3 in 223 rem, is that dead as well?
I'm getting a win mod 86 in 45/70, is that dead too?
 
I have a NIB Remington 700, CDL, stainless fluted, 7 MM mag, with LEUPOLD 3.5-10x50, with many other accessories along with a NUTMEG color thumb hole stock. Never fired. $1650 for rifle, timney trigger, thumb hole stock, original stock, real tree camo stock original boxes and documents.
 

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The 30-06 is a hammer with the newer powders. I have done a ton of load development when I first got my MOD 70 Classic 06 about 20 years ago and H4350 proved to be the most reliable powder for accuracy for 165-180 bullets. I can get a 180 SGC out the muzzle at 2825 fps from a 24" barrel with under max listed charge of H4350 and it groups around 1 inch at 100 yards and sub moa out at 300 yards.
 
Never gave 308 a thought until Kimber came out with the Montana 15 years ago. Was a 300WM guy before that. Ended up playing with a Montana in a gunshop in 308 and immediately had to have it. It shot lights out, super light, short action, ammo everywhere, easy to shoot, and had a shorter and handier barrel. Used it on Whitetails, then elk, then a black bear, then moose. Ended up buying a Mt Ascent and an Adirondack both in 308. I've used the above mentioned rifles to harvest at least a dozen moose, several elk, and dozens of whitetails. For me it's the whole package that a short action 308 brings to the table and it allows me as I get older to continue to hunt pretty darn hard while having complete confidence in the round the rifle chambered. My 300WM is lonely...
 
Never owned a 30 06 although I have a fondness for the 270 Win of which I have several. I own two 308 Wins both in LR308 configurations. These calibers are not dead. Everyone is obsessed with long range (500 yds plus) which is a good thing and yes for going long there are better calibers, but for most hunting out east where extreme shots are 200 to 300 yds these two calibers get it. Seems kind of funny to be talking about this on Long Range hunting where extreme long ranges 800 to 1,000 are considered long range and 400 yds is considered a poke. It just is what it is. For any sane intermediate e ranges these are great cartridges. I love either one of these. With the focus of the industries development to go longer and longer many of these American staple guns can't compete with the longer bullets because there twist rates are to slow. With the 1-11 twist I can shoot Berger 180 Elite Hunter out of my 1-11 twist 20" 308 gas gun at roughly 2,700 fps. Which will hold 1,800 fps out to approximately 645 yds at sea level. To me that is pretty far. As far as I would even consider shoot because of ballistics and definitely further than I feel comfortable shooting. As for the 270 win standard 270 win with a 24" 1-10 twist barrel, you can shoot a 150 Class Bullet say a Nosler ABLR to about 850 yds at sea level and maintain 1,800 fps minimum. To me that is long way. Not as long as some might like, but that is a long way. now if you go to a 26" barrel and do a 1-8 twist (which I have one) you can shoot a Berger 170 gr Elite hunter to almost 1,100 yds and maintain 1,800 fps. 30-06's with higher twist barrels shooting longer loads would not be far behind, but you have to re barrel to a higher twist rate barrel that stock 30 06 sammi specs. To allow you to shoot the longer heavier bullets. I would take a re-barrel 270 win or a 30 06 meaning to shoot the longer more BC efficient bullets and cal it a day. Brass and components everywhere. That is just me. Thought of Re-barreling the 308 win to take some longer high BC bullets but that would have to be from a bolt gun. Maybe a long action. Short is I love the 270 win and the 308. Might have a REMAGE 30 06 barrel made with a long throat and make that a long range rig as well. It is not hyper performance but you get 90% of the job done. But I am a caliber whore so I have 260 Rem, and 284 Win long actions to cover just about anything. Love to tinker and make it work.
 
Anyone that thinks the 06 or 308 are dead, Has an open invitation to try to take them from me, they will soon find out That not only are those cartridges not dead, neither is the old man behind them.
 
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