Fears about the popularity LRH?

Cody, that thread was traumatic to read. He has been a member for a long time, but he just woke up from a long coma.

Do you mean that in a literal fashion or figuratively? If literal, it would at least make a little more sense. I couldn't see someone that has always acted that disrespectful and immature sticking around on this forum for very long.

Sorry to get this thread off track.....I think the lesson to learn from all of this discussion, is that it is greatly the responsibility of ethical long range hunters to ensure we do everything we can to educate those new to the sport, and those that are interested in it. And we must also remember, that at times it requires a lot of patience. When you have not been taught anything about it, all the complexities of it can be hard to grasp, but it is important that it is properly explained and demonstrated, at times.
 
People like this guy ruin it for the rest of us. I've reported him and suggest everyone does the same.


Anyways back to the thread. Forget about long range..... hunters in general scare me. I hate the "close enough" mentality when they shoot a 3in group 2in high and 2in left. Seen many people like that and I don't wonder why they miss or wound animals. It's not fair to the animal or any of us for that matter. Then when these guys talk about long range (200 yards) I just walk away.
 
, they know nothing about animals they're hunting...

I took a guy deer hunting. We jumped a heard of bedded elk. He quickly brought up his rifle to shoot. I couldn't stop him as fast as I wanted to, but was quick enough. I asked him if he knew what a deer looked like. He didn't have a clue. I knew him for over a year and didn't realize his ignorance of hunting.
 
I took a guy deer hunting. We jumped a heard of bedded elk. He quickly brought up his rifle to shoot. I couldn't stop him as fast as I wanted to, but was quick enough. I asked him if he knew what a deer looked like. He didn't have a clue. I knew him for over a year and didn't realize his ignorance of hunting.
That's pretty bad, and I've never shot an elk, but I at least know the differences in the NA big game species... And if anything, he should have stopped and thought, "****, those are some HUGE deer!" :cool:
 
People like this guy ruin it for the rest of us. I've reported him and suggest everyone does the same.


Anyways back to the thread. Forget about long range..... hunters in general scare me. I hate the "close enough" mentality when they shoot a 3in group 2in high and 2in left. Seen many people like that and I don't wonder why they miss or wound animals. It's not fair to the animal or any of us for that matter. Then when these guys talk about long range (200 yards) I just walk away.

agree and have reported.
 
I have thought many of the same thoughts as have been expressed. I was just thinking the other day that the great feedback and knowledge I have received when I post or read others post has declined in recent years. I post and read on LRH much less because of it.

It used to be OK for a guy to just say "I don't know" but now I hear a lot more armchair experts spewing out their ideas, or worse load data, that makes it tough to believe.
 
I have had a recent thought lingering in my head about the popularity of long range hunting. With the meteoric rise to fame that budget friendly long range hunting rigs have seen over the last 2-3 years, I see a lot of people picking up the sport, and I think that is great. However, my fear is that a lot of these guys and girls are going to believe they can shoot an animal wherever they see one just because they shot at a steel plate one day when they first got their rifles. I must stress that long range hunting requires a LOT of practice, and knowledge in order to pull off a successful, and most importantly ETHICAL shot on an animal. I know this community only exists because of people trying to learn more about the sport, and to get insight on how to be safer and more effective. I think it is our duty to maintain and protect the integrity and image of the sport by keeping up on training and teaching others that want to get into this awesome adventure. I only bring this up because the next few seasons may be a turning point where we either make or break the image of the pursuit of the long shot with not only the public, but with that of other hunters and in the worst case, even the lawmakers. Keep on keepin' on, and best of luck this season!

I left a site early once that was worried about my ethics when I was attempting to learn more about long range shooting from some benchrest folks. What I really discovered was that their ethics only applied to "what they wanted others to do"! I don't say this as an indictment of ALL benchrest shooters. Many are valued members on this forum. You can't control peoples shooting ethics any more than you can control their morals, etc. This site, over the years, has taken care of itself pretty well...........Rich
 
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I joined this group to learn more about LRH and I am learning alot. Sadly there will always be people who see or read something and say that is easy. They go out lets stick to hunting in my example and buy a bow or rifle practice for a week and they are good to go. Now some of these guys quickly learn they need way more practice and do. Alot quit this gig was tougher then it looked I'm out of here. Then there are the ones we need to rein in that continue on with their one week of practice made me a pro attitude. These are the people that hurt our sport. They are the ones the bunny huggers use to depict all hunters. Now we all know they are a very small portion of us. The hard thing is reaching these people because they already know everything. They also become easily offended and usualy leave in a huff. These people are scary to meet in the woods because they are usualy walking accidents looking for a place to happen. As an example years ago I was out Elk hunting and met this guy on a trail we talked a bit. Somehow we got talking about reloading He told me how he exceeded loads in the manuals by 3 or 4 grains to get more velocity out of his rifle. As I walked away all I could think was I would not want to be around when he is shooting. Somehow these kinds of people seem to survive and carry on but it makes the rest of us look bad.
I think LRH is great but there will always be variables in people we can not control. Hopefuly the ones that are not serious about this will weed themselves out.
 
I joined this group to learn more about LRH and I am learning alot. Sadly there will always be people who see or read something and say that is easy. They go out lets stick to hunting in my example and buy a bow or rifle practice for a week and they are good to go. Now some of these guys quickly learn they need way more practice and do. Alot quit this gig was tougher then it looked I'm out of here. Then there are the ones we need to rein in that continue on with their one week of practice made me a pro attitude. These are the people that hurt our sport. They are the ones the bunny huggers use to depict all hunters. Now we all know they are a very small portion of us. The hard thing is reaching these people because they already know everything. They also become easily offended and usualy leave in a huff. These people are scary to meet in the woods because they are usualy walking accidents looking for a place to happen. As an example years ago I was out Elk hunting and met this guy on a trail we talked a bit. Somehow we got talking about reloading He told me how he exceeded loads in the manuals by 3 or 4 grains to get more velocity out of his rifle. As I walked away all I could think was I would not want to be around when he is shooting. Somehow these kinds of people seem to survive and carry on but it makes the rest of us look bad.
I think LRH is great but there will always be variables in people we can not control. Hopefuly the ones that are not serious about this will weed themselves out.
I got my first bow around age 12, and wasn't allowed to hunt with it until my dad and uncle thought I was ready. After I had spent a whole year shooting 50-100 arrows a day (depending on how long football practice went) into a target at 30 yards away, they saw my groups were stacked in the bullseyes on the target. They finally felt I was ready to hunt a live animal with a bow.

I spent years starting around age 2 in the woods with my dad while he was hunting, just watching and learning how to hunt, then around 5 or 6 I was allowed to shoot squirrels and stuff with the .22. Then as I got older, I graduated up to the .30-30 Win, then the 7mm-08, then by the time I was 16, I jumped up to the 7mm RemMag and then the 7mm STW, and been stuck there ever since. :cool:

Like I said, I worked at a gun/outdoors store in high school, and yes, I saw more than my fair share of people buying super high-end guns and scopes, then I had to mount and setup the scopes, bore-sight them, and then take them to the range Sat morning and with their choice of ammo, sight them in. We'd call them and tell them their guns were ready, and then these people would come pick up these guns, and would have never shot that gun before, and take them on $30,000 hunts just trusting that everything was on and perfectly setup for them. They had no concept that eye relief, scope height, comfortability, etc... all play into how accurate you will be with the gun. Example, I have a buddy, that every time he shoots one of my rifles, his groups are like 3" to the left or right, but perfect elevation. It's because my guns are setup for me, and not him. However, I can shoot his, and still shoot bulls, because I shot and sighted in so many other people's guns (at the gun store), I know how to adjust myself to the weapon system, and not rely on the weapon to be adjusted to me. However, all my personal guns, are all setup for me.
 
I'm arguably new to LRH and might be able to give some insight to what it's like for the younger generation right now if anyone is interested. I hunt, I know many that do, but I don't know anyone other than my gunsmith I met later on that knows much in this brush dense state.

There is an abundance of misinformation mixed with useful information online and, to a new person, it's difficult to tell the difference. You can't be certain you're dropping thousands of dollars into something that will help but you won't know until you do it. It's very intimidating and it's made harder to justify spending when people lie about their cheap rifle, optic, or ammunition's capabilities making it seem like a waste.

Without my dad I never would have got into the sport or at least not good at it. He's retired, decided he wanted to get good at long distance shooting 3 years ago (a little after I left for college), and started from a few stock rifles. The rifles proved to be very troublesome in the beginning with improper torques, less than ideal stocks, burnt out barrels, imperfect scope mounts, a bad Leopold that had to be sent in, no range past 100 yards, and a lack of equipment to do it properly. It was discouraging and especially difficult to diagnose problems not having any previous experience but he stuck with it. I finished school, have a well paying job, met people with ranches allowing us 500 yards, and now get to reap the benefits of his knowledge.

The first time we shot at 500 yards, always at 100 yards before, we set a 10 inch steel plate up and I rang it on my first shot after zeroing for 300 yards and dialing in to 500. The farmer who owned the land thought it was incredible and then I did it again. I'm pretty well hooked and my dad loves having someone else to talk to about it and discuss ideas with. The best rifle is printing at around 5 inch groups at 500 yards on a mostly calm day, the wind is never ending here and the hills create unusual effects but on windy day groups closer to 6 inches.

We will be going on an elk trip to Idaho soon and know of a range to test further the out. If the rifle does well at 600 yards it will likely be my limit.
 
I love long range shooting and I love hunting, but I never combine the two. I am not confident enough in my shooting to try is on an animal. Ill fling lead at 1000 yards no problem, but an animal is a different story. I joined the forum because it had two of my favorite things, long range shooting and hunting.

Also, I am about to tell you a secret. I am pretty sure I have never shot a large game animal any further than 100 yards in my 20 years of hunting.

If a newbie is comfortable slapping a nice scope on his rifle, zeroing at 100 yards, and then shooting at game at 500, then I share the same concerns as the OP. Hopefully, the professionals out there can bring those guys in and mentor them.
 
The forum title is (Long Range HUNTING)! And most of us are here to combine the two. I have no problem with Earl Young zeroing at 300 and ringing steel at 500 and then hunting at that range. If he was talking 1000 yards right out of the blocks, that would be different. My opinion.........Rich
I love long range shooting and I love hunting, but I never combine the two.
 
Elkaholic, that's my personal belief for myself about combining the two. If guys are good enough shot to hit an elk or deer at a grand then that's awesome. I just don't have the confidence in myself to make an awesome shot like that. I'm not judging anyone on here if they did. That is the point of the forum after all. lol
 
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