Toss S1 aside and I think we all lose something valuable.
He and I disagree on numerous topics, however, his input has value to me and must be considered given his background and experience.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> originally posted by S1: Careful Holmes, you are'nt implying that a .257 might actually kill something past 700 yards are you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am.... especially given the Weatherby velocitiy of 3400 fps with the heavy-for-calibre pill. It's not something I would try with my 25/06, but this is also due to my not having the necessary skill at that range yet. The prairie dogs of Wyoming will attest to the fact that I'm workin' on it though!
Whatever range I am able to take prairie dogs with 90% consistency on the first shot is my working distance for the game season.
I keep a logbook when varmint shooting for my TRR, (Tactical Rat Rifle), and this insures my efficacy. I'm really looking forward to my goal of a first shot 1K prairie dog. I may have it mounted
I've actually enjoyed this thread as there are few that deal with the 25 calibre.
Now are you two boys done cyber boxing? Just kidding, I very much enjoy the information both DC and S1 share. I'm savvy enough to discern what I need to know and ignore that which does not pertain to my question. Both poster's have a great deal of knowledge and plenty to share. I hold no malace against either one. While they do take a few jabs at each other, it's certainly a long ways from how down and dirty things get on other boards....which I do appreciate. Thank you to everyone who has posted thus far and please feel free to continue as I have very much enjoyed reading what other have had to say. Btw S1, I sent you an email in reply to the NAM painting. Never heard back from you did you decide either way? If it would just be easier for me to send cash I can do that too. Darryl just out of curiousity did you end up hanging on to that 300 Weatherby? If so how did it end up shooting?
As a self proclaimed long range "Newbie" I have learned from both DC and S1. I respect both of your backgrounds and knowledge, but please try to argue based on facts or opinions. Ease up on the personal attacks - BOTH OF YOU. If you were my kids I would knock heads, send you both to your rooms and come back when your ready to be civil
This forum would greatly miss the information presented by BOTH of you.
I agree with KM, why don't we take a vote to get someone to cancel s1 and his registration. Having been a long time lurker I just find his comments useless and a waste of our time. KM is right, s1 is brainless and does not know when to shut up! I am hear to try and learn.
Just a bit light for me, that's all. I like a larger bullet with a better BC. My ranges are usually much further and I need those features in a bullet.
I guess I shouldn't believe things I hear.
Heard a buck was hit and left alive for quite a while? None of my business how it was killed or even if it was.
That's why I asked about "quick Kills."
Thought maybe the 25 didn't do the job?
Don't really know if it was you guy's but, the word was, a 25 on a bigger case was used?
Thought maybe it could be you since it was in this area. Down 120 at the power line.
If it works for you, it was a great idea and that's all that counts.
Good luck and keep making those quick kills.
Sounds like you have some dandy's coming to experiment with.
Here are some facts that we know.....
WE have used two different .257 to kill deer at long range..
1st we built a.25-270 ICL Ram (see P.O.Ackley's book) with a 32" barrel,it shot a 108gr jlk vld at 3730fps....no problem...
2nd we built a .25-.300win 40deg.imp with the shoulder pushed back to a 7mm rem mag lth.(.257 wby imp. basically)with a 32' barrel, it shot 108 jlk vld at 4085fps..
The rifle that I'm building right now is a .25-270 wsm 40deg.imp,it should be able to shoot a 115 berger vld around 3800-3900fps...
The numbers through jbm web site come out like this.....
A 115gr. with a b.c. of .522 shot at 3900fps.,S.H. 1.88",33.3deg.f,
Lead.......5.4 (moving target at 3mph)
Time in flight.....1.08 sec.
Point blank range...
A 20" target can be engaged out to 611yds with a zero of 519yds.. This means you can shoot a 20" target with your rifle sighted in at 519yds out to 611yds.....Not too shabby!!
TO compare....A 300win.shooting a 210gr.berger vld at 2940fps.....
At 1000 yds.
Lead........6.9 ( moving target 3mph)
Time in flight 1.376 sec.
D.C.you ask if the deer that we shot this year were Quick Kills......well D.R.T.(from the 5th marines snipers)DEAD RIGHT THERE!!!! got it all on video tape, be more than glad to show you!!!
P.S. JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT YOUR IDEA, THAT DON'T MAKE IT A BAD ONE!!!!!!!!