A good accurate concealed carry pistol

[eshell]

Excuse my ignorance but what type of incidents happen with striker fired pistols?

In striker-fired handguns like the Glocks, some Sigs and others, there are some cases in which the handgun is unintentionally discharged in the holster. The cause in almost every case has been identified as something catching the trigger as the gun is inserted into the holster. Sometimes this is the corner of a shirt or jacket, a drawstring cord-lock or a strap.

The striker-fired handgun's trigger pull weight is lighter than a true double-action, but heavier than most single-action firearms. The nature of the pull weight is that the handgun can be fired without putting a lot of pressure on the trigger and so if one holsters the gun in a well-fitting holster and something fouls the trigger, the extra resistance may not be noticed and the handgun can be fired as it is inserted, often resulting in injury.

This has happened enough with Glocks (one of the first striker-fired handguns to be extensively used) that there is an injury called "Glock Leg", where the user shoots themselves in the leg while holstering, but Glocks are not the only ones this can happen with.

As long as one is careful to make sure the holster is clear and nothing enters the trigger guard while holstering, the gun will not fire.

Because carrying concealed often puts the holster in a difficult place to see well (behind the strong-side hip), many people holster the pistol off-body, then place the holstered handgun on the belt. This way, one can be SURE nothing will foul the trigger and if it did, the handgun is pointed in a safe(r) direction.

 

[shaughn]

At the scene...you have the right to remain silent....."USE IT!" ask for your lawyer at the station make your statement, have your lawyer do a picture and condition inventory of all your property , including firearms and ammunition, magazines and make sure that he gets the receipt signed by the property clerk and investigating officers.

Go thru reputable bail bondsman, if needed and hopefully it won't take a year or more for them to come to a conclusion and every time they want to talk to you, I want counsel present...

 

[cajun]

The sig p365 x macro. 17 rounds.

 

[birddog 68]

In striker-fired handguns like the Glocks, some Sigs and others, there are some cases in which the handgun is unintentionally discharged in the holster. The cause in almost every case has been identified as something catching the trigger as the gun is inserted into the holster. Sometimes this is the corner of a shirt or jacket, a drawstring cord-lock or a strap.

The striker-fired handgun's trigger pull weight is lighter than a true double-action, but heavier than most single-action firearms. The nature of the pull weight is that the handgun can be fired without putting a lot of pressure on the trigger and so if one holsters the gun in a well-fitting holster and something fouls the trigger, the extra resistance may not be noticed and the handgun can be fired as it is inserted, often resulting in injury.

This has happened enough with Glocks (one of the first striker-fired handguns to be extensively used) that there is an injury called "Glock Leg", where the user shoots themselves in the leg while holstering, but Glocks are not the only ones this can happen with.

As long as one is careful to make sure the holster is clear and nothing enters the trigger guard while holstering, the gun will not fire.

Because carrying concealed often puts the holster in a difficult place to see well (behind the strong-side hip), many people holster the pistol off-body, then place the holstered handgun on the belt. This way, one can be SURE nothing will foul the trigger and if it did, the handgun is pointed in a safe(r) direction.

Thanks for clearing this up for me

 

[Rick Richard]

Sorry I misinterpreted your post! You "will" absolutely be arrested, but, if on legal grounds will be quickly exonerated ……except in "communist" run cities/counties/states! memtb

And it will still cost you a bunch of money….legal fees, but you will still be a live.

 

[chav0_12]

At the scene...you have the right to remain silent....."USE IT!" ask for your lawyer at the station make your statement, have your lawyer do a picture and condition inventory of all your property , including firearms and ammunition, magazines and make sure that he gets the receipt signed by the property clerk and investigating officers.

Go thru reputable bail bondsman, if needed and hopefully it won't take a year or more for them to come to a conclusion and every time they want to talk to you, I want counsel present...

This should be everyone's attitude for anything when dealing with any sort of possible trouble with the law. There's a reason we have the rights that we do and they should be exercised whenever possible. Whether you know for sure that you're right or wrong.

 

[nksmfamjp]

How big is the hk ? I've never been around one

Freakin huge!

A lot has been written about how great a Glock is…..hogwash. I'll offer the counter argument I've owned 3. Never got one into the carry rotation. It would be hard to argue they are unreliable. They are unsafe. Not in a meaningful statistical way, but I'd argue that the accidents do happen. If they don't cause leaks or death, they surely go unreported. Who wants to be fired or belittled for an AD for carrying a safetyless action? I mean, if it were safe, why would it need the Ultra Safe Action marketing latter changed to Perfection!

I would look at the Shield Plus if I were you. It has a thumb safety, decent trigger after break in, great sights, and an optic option. Lots of good holster options. Typically handles and shoots well for a smaller gun.

Mostly pick something you will enjoy shooting so it gets enough workout that you keep or advance your speed to first shot, shot to shot speed, transition speeds, etc.

 

[chav0_12]

Walther PDP or G19 or G48/43.

I have a full size PDP. It's a really nice pistol. Unfortunately it's not something that I'd want to try to conceal, not IWB at least. I've been thinking about getting another smaller one but I already have 12 rounds in my P365X. I hope that if I ever have to use it that I don't need more than 24 rounds to get out of trouble.

 

[eshell]

Walther PDP or G19 or G48/43.

Although in this world of AI and automation, it is pretty neat how new Sigs shoot on their own!

I suspect you are referring to the Sig P320. This is still being sorted out and these P320s may not actually "shoot on their own". There was quite a bit of talk like that when police were first shooting themselves with Glocks too, but that was found to be a handling issue and the P320 may also fall into that category.

As a former trainer with quite a bit of police clientele, I can say that it is normally quite difficult for police* to admit they are wrong or have made a mistake. I even had one fire his rifle into the ground at his feet and the first words out of his mouth was that something must be wrong with the rifle, which there wasn't. Like most firearms do, it fired when the trigger was pulled and I had already warned him about trigger finger discipline that same day. Go figure...

There is also the fact that having a negligent discharge can be the kiss of death for their career. It is helpful to be able to blame the pistol itself and one will notice that almost every one of these events (both Sigs and Glocks) have been with police.

I am aware of only one incident where the pistol MAY have fired on it's own (also police), and the event is on video. The problem is that even with video, we really don't know what happened. If one holsters the pistol with clothing or a strap under the trigger, then stretches to reach for something, the trigger can be pulled and the clothing pops free as the gun fires. This can occur even without the hand near the gun, so it can appear to fire on its own.

As I said, this is still being sorted out and one must be careful what they take from reports.


*=ETA Clarification: Police, like almost any other strongly 'Type A' person...

 

[Mike D Texas]

You are going to Jail, what ever the case.

Are you saying you are going to jail no matter what in a self defense shooting?

 

[Mike D Texas]

Involved in a self defense shooting...

At the very least expect to do battle with the legal system.

Look into having a good attorney on tap and insurance if you CC.

Don't know what is available anymore since it's been some time for me, but the resources should be better now.

Don't waste your time with the legal defense insurance companies like USCCA.
At the VERY least read their terms and conditions of the contract VERY carefully. They are being called out recently on a couple of self defense cases.

 

[Mike D Texas]

^^^^^USCCA

Not so much…..

 

[shaughn]

I had a policy written up by my agent in the 90's, not a company specifically designed for CC. Don't even think the base insurer exists anymore probably swallowed up by some conglomerate, I know my lawyer is somewhere really warm...either getting jabbed with a pitchfork or doing the jabbing.....

 

[VinceMule]

Are you saying you are going to jail no matter what in a self defense shooting?

Mike, as a rule, they arrest...period, but there are exceptions best would be if someone was breaking into your home. They may charge you or not, but usually you are going to jail at the very least as they sort through the evidence, DA reviews the case.

You are correct about the insurance, but the training is worth much. There are other forms of a type of "insurance", but I can not put my hands on the information at this time.