Donneric
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Even though my hollow points may be same everything as factory?
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Yep, I don't load my EDC with handloads.
TXAoudadKlr
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I thought I heard the secret service snipers use custom ammunition to individual sniper rifles. How true is it? No idea
Donneric
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Wow I never thought of that. I have a book written by the lawyer who represented George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case that's a very good guide for anyone who carrys. His practice specializes in lethal self defense. Outlines what it takes to walk free, what exactly to do following using lethal force, what to say, what not to do/say, situations to avoid getting involved in, then state by state laws etc. He didn't mention not using handloads. With the hostile prosecuting attorneys everywhere it makes sense. I might be safe here in MT. We are one of the only states that if you lift your shirt up to expose your weapon it's not felony assault.
The USSS purchases all ammunition.
xsn10s
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Anything is possible with time and money. IF they did this I would guess that they would hire a private "ammunition" company to do this. A small LLC that would load the ammo for each rifle which we see done for LR hunters these days. The cost would be huge imo, far more than the hunting ammo. This is my guess because someone HAS to ASSUME the LIABILITY. That requires deep pockets with big insurance to cover lawsuits. If the agency loads their own ammo then they will be under even bigger scrutiny.
waveslayer
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No, it's mostly , almost always issued by the department or military.
I know that SD SWAT had to stop using the FGMM ammo because of the FMJ bullets, they switched for TAP... it wouldn't group anywhere near what FGMM would! We did so much testing! It was a major pain in the A to switch it all up and then to have poor performance, even out of several rifle systems we tested
I know that SD SWAT had to stop using the FGMM ammo because of the FMJ bullets, they switched for TAP... it wouldn't group anywhere near what FGMM would! We did so much testing! It was a major pain in the A to switch it all up and then to have poor performance, even out of several rifle systems we tested
hunter0528
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Yep, still standard issue. I just picked up 20k of those last week. 190 grain Sierra Matchking loaded by Federal that averages around 2900 fps from our M2010s. Your particular box was made in March or May of 2007.
WildRose
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The major factor is "common law" made at the bench by judges and juries. Especially in liability law "precedent" has even more weight in court than the statutes themselves as written.
You got a link to any of these laws/rules? Or even a case where prosecution used hand loads as justification?
I have stated that several times when the term "case law" comes up. There's a huge difference between law and litigated law.
people seem to have trouble with that.
While I am not aware of any laws - per se - regarding Mil/LE authorized ammunition, you did request a link to "rules" as well.
I could provide hundreds (if not thousands) of instances of these rules as they are most often written as policy governing the specific actions and operations of the police departments that generate them. These policies have become public information in an effort to become "transparent" to the public and are, therefore, available for anyone to study at length... Especially defense lawyers.
The lawyers (both prosecution and defense) are exceptionally quick to know the EXACT rules, regulations, and policies that police officers MUST operate within.
If an officer operates outside of the policies of their respective department, they open themselves up to a myriad of consequences, not the least of which is termination and possible criminal prosecution for willful disobedience to their mandatory standard operating procedures. The department can very easily "wash their hands" of the individual officer for knowingly breaking the rules and ALL civil and criminal liability now falls directly on that officer, not the department.
Disregarding the "rules" in law enforcement has severe consequences, even more so in todays anti police culture that cannot wait to hang an officer for doing something even questionably out of policy.
Text taken directly from the Denver Police Department Operations Manual - in pertinent part:
(4) AMMUNITION:
a. All officers will load their firearms and carry on their person only ammunition issued or specifically approved by the Firearms Unit and the Chief Firearms Officer.
Officers are prohibited from carrying reloaded ammunition of any kind.
b. Handgun magazines will be loaded in the weapon at full capacity (topped off), with one additional round in the chamber. Spare (additional) magazines will be at full capacity (topped off).
The above information was sourced very easily online, by doing a 30 second search. If you choose to read over this particular operations manual, simply conduct a "control F" search for the word "ammunition" and you will find this exact text.
